There are a couple of things not clear from your account. Are you actually getting up on the foil & riding for 10/20/30 metres, or are you failing to get going on foil at all? In my experience, the most difficult part to starting to foil is the initial water starting. This is because water starting a foil requires a completely different technique from what you have become accustomed to on a TT or SB - you have to overcome your learned muscle memory. Basically. you have to move your weight forward as soon as you feel the foil start to gain some speed - don't put your weight over the back foot or the board will immediately start porpoising.knucklehead beginner wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:34 pmI learned how to kite in 2000 on 2-line kites. It was a real pain, but eventually I got it. The hydrofoil seems even more elusive to me, but perhaps I have forgotten my struggles from so long ago. I keep trying it. I am not dropping my kite or going face first over the board. I just get up and feel as wobbly as a newly born fawn. I have a hard time maintaining staying up on foil.
Yes, I have a One Wheel and I am proficient on it. Yes, I have taken lessons. Yes, I have watched a lot of videos. Yes, I have a beginner setup. Yes, I am riding the same size kite that I would to ride in the same conditions. I have been patiently trying when the conditions are steady. Seems like 20 minutes of working on the foilboard is as taxing as 4 hours riding lit on my twin tip.
I would give it up, but the promise of riding in 7 to 8 knots and jumping high in 10 to 12 knots keeps me going. I have also noticed that I am not the only one struggling with a hydrofoil. I truly suck, but I see people struggling day after day. Seems like where I ride there are only a handful of really proficient riders.
No, I am not some hack that hates hydrofoils and has never kited, I am just a bit embarrassed by how slow I have been to learn this aspect of the sport, so I created a new account.
I sure would appreciate any advice. I am in my mid-50's. I am in good shape. I kite 5 to 6 days a week and I workout regularly as well. I have good balancing skills from doing yoga. I am just not sure of what my problem is...
Much good advice in the thread.....definitely validate your setup for fundamentals....because no amount of trying will get past something not set up right. I have had multiple people up and riding wing on first day with a short mast, hoverglide and SS simulator board with mast all the way to the back. Having a setup that wants to fly at any speed makes it very difficult to learn, vs ride surface on a big board and then have to actually move back a bit to make it fly. I learned on a performance carbon setup through persistence and going back and forth to twin tip once I was tired and frustrated. Two certainties I can give you. 1. Your brain bakes what you learned in a session and you will always be a bit better when you return to the next session. 2. Your brain will begin to make the movements subconsciously in time and it will happen before you know it. (provided you are not on a dysfunctional setup).Hugh2 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:08 pmI've watched several guys try endlessly on ridiculous gear, like a racing high-aspect flat wing and long mast, and not get it, unsurprisingly.
For myself, starting foiling at age 62 after 12 years of kiting, the secret was a large board, short 15" mast, and simple medium aspect wing (original Slingshot Hoverglide). The unfortunate part of learning that way is that having become comfortable on that heavy old aluminum mast and wings I find it almost impossible to ride my friends' modern carbon wings. I just get tossed off them. On the other hand, a local friend managed to learn on a carbon wing and 24" mast by simply persisting endlessly, he would literally send several hours nonstop porpoising all over the place for several weeks, and two weekends ago I watched a guy at Cape Hatteras do the same. Both of them eventually smoothed it out, but that seemed like way too much effort. A short mast and large board made it much easier for me, my buddy and I were taking short flights on the first day, sustained flights the second session, and moved to 24" mast on the third session. I love riding a 36" mast now.
But yes, you feel like a complete novice to start, an unstable fawn is a great analogy, and it is very taxing. Half an hour is still about all I can handle for a session if I am working on new things, like flying gybes. And I only got the latter because I stuck with a large board that I could do touchdown gybes on and gradually advanced to turning to toeside at speed and flying. Getting back to heelside is still about 50% success, especially if I don't have enough power. But it's great not to be crashing and restarting every transition. All my friends who have mastered the flying gybe did it on short boards with endless crashes first. Now three of them are so good it is sickening, riding carbon foils with pocket boards and doing 360s etc, although none have managed to get to the foot-switch gybe, that seems really hard and I don't even aspire to it.
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