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Re: foil cavitating, ventilating, broaching, solution

Postby Peter_Frank » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:39 pm

I find it a myth, not true, that a shorter mast should be better if you want to "ride with the waves".

It comes from foil surf or sup, where you can paddle the wave up easier, when foil is closer to the top of the wave.

This does not apply for a kitefoil, where you are up before riding with the wave.

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Re: foil cavitating, ventilating, broaching, solution

Postby Kamikuza » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:25 am

papasmerf wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:18 pm
tkaraszewski wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:56 pm
papasmerf wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:32 pm


would anyone chime in on how approximately much less maneuverable a 90-95 cm mast is than an 85cm?
((avg(90,95) / 85) - 1 = 8.8%.

Note: this number means nothing. Even if I did, what would "8.8% less maneuverable" mean to you?
just looking for perceptions and overall experiences with switching mast sizes from people who have tried it, whether it helped or not,, that type of thing. it's no big deal, just wondering
For me it's more the additional flex that's an issue, and the "lag" from inputs. Had 75 and 90, cut the 90 down to 82, it's about as long as I can bear without being a nuisance, but is actually better.

I'm with jump -- deploy your terrain following radar when going upwind.

And learning when to do what on the wave is part of the game. Going over the falls... Yeah always painful.

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Re: foil cavitating, ventilating, broaching, solution

Postby PurdyKiter » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:57 am

Peter_Frank wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:39 pm
I find it a myth, not true, that a shorter mast should be better if you want to "ride with the waves".

It comes from foil surf or sup, where you can paddle the wave up easier, when foil is closer to the top of the wave.

This does not apply for a kitefoil, where you are up before riding with the wave.

8) Peter
Totally agree with this. I'm at Rufus in The Gorge (Oregon) and there are huge wind-swell days where my 101 is just perfect. Last year on the 91, I found it annoying with the broach in the bowl of these perfect glassy 2.8m kite days. It still requires an increase in FF pressure when you're over-speeding coming down that face to stay on. Such a blast.
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Re: foil cavitating, ventilating, broaching, solution

Postby matt_81a » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:42 am

I would suggest getting a better foil ;)

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Re: foil cavitating, ventilating, broaching, solution

Postby Peter_Frank » Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:33 am

matt_81a wrote:
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I would suggest getting a better foil ;)

Better than what?

papasmerf (the OP) does not write what foil he rides, only about mast lengths.

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Re: foil cavitating, ventilating, broaching, solution

Postby papasmerf » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:23 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:33 am
matt_81a wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:42 am
I would suggest getting a better foil ;)

Better than what?

papasmerf (the OP) does not write what foil he rides, only about mast lengths.

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I think it is my friend who I constantly complain to about how I need a new foil but i still haven't found one I want (that i can afford) ,, still using a borrowed cabrinha double agent. he has a new gong pro L foil with a 100 cm carbon mast

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Re: foil cavitating, ventilating, broaching, solution

Postby Peter_Frank » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:32 pm

Aaaah, okay, then I would somewhat say he is right - get a better foil indeed :naughty:

But if you have a borrowed I assume you ask as you are about to buy your own?

Go for a 90 cm mast, will suit "everything", and dont think more about it :thumb:

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Re: foil cavitating, ventilating, broaching, solution

Postby matt_81a » Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:50 am

Peter_Frank wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:32 pm
Aaaah, okay, then I would somewhat say he is right - get a better foil indeed :naughty:

But if you have a borrowed I assume you ask as you are about to buy your own?

Go for a 90 cm mast, will suit "everything", and dont think more about it :thumb:

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Lol yes - It is me ;) That was meant for the OP. It is challenging to choose. I am sure he will be jumping by next summer at the rate that he is progressing at!
I like my 100cm mast - it does pretty well in swells - it is more forgiving.

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Re: foil cavitating, ventilating, broaching, solution

Postby Kamikuza » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:29 am

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cabrinha double agent
That was actually the first foil I rode in proper waves. Wasn't terrible, as the limit to its top speed meant you didn't go blasting away towards the beach at warp speed and could stay "on" the wave...shame it needed so much power from the kite and effort to go back upwind.

Until you learn to track the surface of the water, and the places where you can't ride the foil ie. straight out the front of the wave from the top, you're going to get slammed. A longer mast will just mean a harder slam.

Oh unless you're on a really short mast ... I don't remember if the DA ever came with anything silly short.

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Re: foil cavitating, ventilating, broaching, solution

Postby papasmerf » Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:42 pm

Kamikuza wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:29 am
papasmerf wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:23 pm
cabrinha double agent
That was actually the first foil I rode in proper waves. Wasn't terrible, as the limit to its top speed meant you didn't go blasting away towards the beach at warp speed and could stay "on" the wave...shame it needed so much power from the kite and effort to go back upwind.

Until you learn to track the surface of the water, and the places where you can't ride the foil ie. straight out the front of the wave from the top, you're going to get slammed. A longer mast will just mean a harder slam.

Oh unless you're on a really short mast ... I don't remember if the DA ever came with anything silly short.
It has a 55 and 85. When I first put on the 85 I was terrified but now I am thinking longer already. But I have the same thoughts. It needs a lot of power from the kite. Usually ona 10. But after I got used to it I think it is a great foil. Just want something lighter and more modern now,,,well plus it is not mine is actually big reason i want to upgrade.


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