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Moses 633 lover want more speed ?

Postby airic » Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:17 am

I have lots off time on my 633 wing and 483 stab but lately, I feel for more speed and looser foil in the moses lineup.
I don't know if just changing the stab for S400 will do the job or should I get a new wing?

please share your experience!

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Re: Moses 633 lover want more speed ?

Postby grigorib » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:28 am

You can get 683s or 679 wings and them being 20% thinner and 20% smaller by area do fly faster at cruising speed and are more fun to ride.
Many people went that route and are not coming back to 633

Smaller stabilizer improves the speed a little bit too but I’d start with the wing first.

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Re: Moses 633 lover want more speed ?

Postby dave1986 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:55 am

How much more speed do you want?

Here are a few options (avoiding race wings). As a generalisation the lower aspect ratio means more maneuverable.
683s/679
720
800
550
590
558

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Re: Moses 633 lover want more speed ?

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:48 am

If you want it faster, Dave is spot on, go for a smaller (or thinner) wing instead.

Stab wont change speed at all.

But if you want it looser, go for a much smaller stab, or cut the one you got down :rollgrin:

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Re: Moses 633 lover want more speed ?

Postby airic » Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:52 pm

I forget to say ; faster and looser but still play full for carving.
thank for your comment!

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Re: Moses 633 lover want more speed ?

Postby grigorib » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:18 pm

airic wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:52 pm
I forget to say ; faster and looser but still play full for carving.
thank for your comment!
If you want to stay on same fuselage - 683s or 679 which are the same wing

If you can switch to kite fuselage the 695 might be still lightwindish yet playful but other kite wings will feel much more locked in, including 720 which comes onto surf fuselage

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Re: Moses 633 lover want more speed ?

Postby Frankieboy » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:34 pm

airic wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:17 am
I have lots off time on my 633 wing and 483 stab but lately, I feel for more speed and looser foil in the moses lineup.
I don't know if just changing the stab for S400 will do the job or should I get a new wing?

please share your experience!
try the 425 stab if you can. for me it the perfect stab for the 633 in terms of balance (front foot pressure) and speed (faster then the 450 I used first)

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Re: Moses 633 lover want more speed ?

Postby Foil » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:49 am

Frankieboy wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:34 pm
airic wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:17 am
I have lots off time on my 633 wing and 483 stab but lately, I feel for more speed and looser foil in the moses lineup.
I don't know if just changing the stab for S400 will do the job or should I get a new wing?

please share your experience!
try the 425 stab if you can. for me it the perfect stab for the 633 in terms of balance (front foot pressure) and speed (faster then the 450 I used first)
I hope to try my 425 rear stabilizer with my 633 front wing, have tried most of the smaller stabs and apart from the 450 they were not great and many of us who tried them agreed to bin the sessions we were on when using the smaller stabs and revert back to the 483,
the 450 will work well for strapless guys who want a looser feel in waves for snappy carving, but at the cost of poor stability at higher speeds especially using straps and for guys like me who jump, as this really showed the 450 stab as very poor, crashing out under load just before take off,
So todays try of the smaller425 stab will hopefully confirm if my. 483 is really the best for speed and stability,
On the same subject of speed from the 633, if anyonec thinks it's slow then maybe you are not getting the best from it, slow it Is not!
Measure your speed and if everything else is good for speed like footstraps front and rear, correct netural trim, super clean working surfaces, both mast and wings, no finger marks, seaweed sap,suntan or bolt grease residue, chips or scratches on leading edges, the list is long of possible reasons why you can't get near the superb top speed of the 633,
26-27 knts is not slow, that feels very fast but if any thing is not quite right like any of the above, even a singing whineing mast then stability will be compromised and speed will suffer, but get things right and fast silent smooth speed is available,
But I agree with others that using the top speed to turn aggressively hard into turns can push the 483 stab just too hard and end in the rear wing loosing grip, if you have crystal clear water then it's interesting to look round at the rear stab as you turn hard and fast, turn hard enough and you will clearly see a long stream of air bubbles appear from the rear stab edges as you turn harder, release the foot pressure slightly for a wider turn and the bubbles deminish and stability returns,
This is where I want to see improvement, and I have experienced it only when using the 450 stab, but the cost was too high in terms of speed( lack of stability in straight line speed )
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Re: Moses 633 lover want more speed ?

Postby a99 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:51 am

Using now only 425 stab with 633, best stab for this wing definitely. Tried also 330 but not so optimal as 425, but of course much better than 483 which is night mare in to much lift on high speeds with 633.
483 i think can be only good as option in super low winds. as it generates lot of lift already. But in middle and high speed it’s worst stab ever. And i think all complains regarding 483 goes because all using it with kites, but it was designed for just surf propose i think, but not in principal as for kite riding.

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Re: Moses 633 lover want more speed ?

Postby geron » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:46 pm

I have the 483 with a shim and think it is good


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