Sceotend wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:41 pm
azoele wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:37 pm
And don't get me started on the unholy mess that is the 5th line
Whoever invented it, and gave it cables of same color as internal bridles, has much, much to answer for it.
Yes, it will allow lowering the kite "easily" and safely.
But it adds significant time to install and remove (after at least 50 sessions, I still have not got any faster), and it is responsible of the worst tanglings.
Only, I don't feel flying without it to be good for the Peak: yes you can crash it on the ground, but that will not be very good for the kite... and backstalling the 5m in moderate wind is not for the faint of the heart: if released, it will zip through noon faster than you can see it, and pulling like a 17m!!!
(I wonder how fast truly the 3 and 4 are!)
Totally newbie here, so take it with a grain of salt. And I have an old 5 line North bar - split y construction is afaik similar to Flysurfer bars.
While I agree with the statement, I think there are ways to mitigate 5th line problems:
1) Bind somehow the two fifth lines together close to the canopy before packing - less bridle tangling when unpacking. I first used a rubber band knot but I think a loose slipknot on the lines is good enough. I thought it would automatically undo itself but at least in light wind that's not always true. I think b-safety is not much affected by the knot, even if it didn't unravel.
2) If the fifth line was pulled I think it pays off to walk to the kite and secure it and then deal with the 5th line before trying to wrap the lines around the bar.
3) Get one bar for each Peak.
I'll take #3 bob.
Survey says: Ding ding ding. You win!
Taken in context of Flysurfer's ingenious fly line attachment system of loops with small stainless rings providing a universal attachment to any bar without having to alter it. I'm going to suggest that in looking at the B safe line set up with its bridle matching color and line gauge, and the lack of pull release tabs on the loops. Installing the B safe line is evidently meant to be a one time procedure and is not intended for removal with each time you use the kite.
5th lines have ALWAYS been a PITA for unwinding lines and separating them out. By far and away the best option for mitigation is to leave the bar attached full time and just unwind and go. Used this way the potential for tangle is pretty much eliminated.
For hydrofoiling, 4 line single front line safety is the go especially for the 6m and smaller. There is no dropping the kite for a rest on water like there can be on snow and after a season of launching and landing 4 line. The kite fly perfectly (the span line is still on the kite without the B safe installed), have suffered zero wear from launch/land for which they are a dream. Highly recommend leaving bars attached for full convenience.
Will use the 5th line on the 6m as a one kite quiver for snow. Nice feature to back it down and pop it right back up while in deep snow, or still in bindings, but by no means necessary. Where it IS likely necessary is when pulling yourself uphill in mountains and not getting yanked over and down the far side of peaks and ridges. I ride lowland snow, so likely only a handy feature for the odd squall, but as this kite was designed for snow use in the hills, its safe to assume the B safe lines were intended for that use.
From what it sounds line in the Peak4 thread, the majority of foilers rig them 4 line.