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How to kite foil - The Basics

Postby Dave_5280 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:04 am


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Re: How to kite foil - The Basics

Postby Hugh2 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:18 pm

Dude doesn't use standard terminology. He alternates between "shaft", "strut" and "mast" for the item every one else calls a "mast". The last thing a beginner needs is confusion.

Biased by using only Cabrinha, with no indication of equivalent equipment from others or advice on actual wing sizes for beginners. I've tried to help beginners who bought a used racing foil wing that I could not ride.

Interesting that he suggests starting with a thin board, and continually talks about the comparison with TT. I started on a larger thicker Slingshot board, and came to it completely comfortable on directionals, and this is the route I still recommend to others. We've had discussions here with folks asking can the go straight from TT to foil, and I'm sure some can, but still seems easier to me to master directional first.

The rest of it is pretty good, if a little long winded.

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Re: How to kite foil - The Basics

Postby revhed » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:22 am

Hugh2 wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:18 pm
Dude doesn't use standard terminology. He alternates between "shaft", "strut" and "mast" for the item every one else calls a "mast".
There has been, is , and will be only one word in the English language to accurately describe the structural component between the board and fuse.
See definitions, patents, well known designers, history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofoil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mast_(sailing)

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3804048

https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/hydrofoil

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/R ... 75897d480e

https://foils.org/hydrofoil-rudder-and- ... gn-issues/

https://nextfoils.com/all-products/

http://www.mikeslab.com/bullet-3/

https://www.deltahydrofoil.com/kite

https://books.google.fr/books/about/A_P ... edir_esc=y

https://foils.org/?s=strut

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/199 ... 086039.pdf



I could go on and on....
I find it interesting that the english speaking world is adopting the French word "mat", must show how much influence it had years ago in the foil board world.
Most notable is that if one were to do ANY research into hydrofoils the word "mast" will just NEVER be found before this millenium!
Yet strut was and is the still correct word.
Looking for profile naca info?
http://airfoiltools.com/site/search?cx= ... 1j581969j5
Try searching mast....
But alas, many will continue to be ill informed.
R H

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Re: How to kite foil - The Basics

Postby Kamikuza » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:07 am

revhed wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:22 am
But alas, many will continue to be ill informed.
Yes. Yes, you are, but it's always amusing to watch thrash about :lol:

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Re: How to kite foil - The Basics

Postby Kamikuza » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:23 am

Hugh2 wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:18 pm
I started on a larger thicker Slingshot board, and came to it completely comfortable on directionals, and this is the route I still recommend to others. We've had discussions here with folks asking can the go straight from TT to foil, and I'm sure some can, but still seems easier to me to master directional first.
In retrospect I've never understood this advice. There's nothing IMO that carries over except maybe the feel of the straps or deck pad. I don't think the board itself, thick or thin, makes any difference so long as it's not a wet noodle.

What does make a difference is an awareness that this is initially not the same thing so stop trying to edge against the kite. Although I've seen people learn who just won't grasp that concept, and ride along edging hard with their ass dragging on the water, the foil breaching constantly and yet somehow they learned to foil.

I can ride directionals but I'm not great at it... although technically I'm better on a directional than foil as I can tack and gybe and toe side both directions :lol:

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Re: How to kite foil - The Basics

Postby tkaraszewski » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:31 pm

revhed wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:22 am
Hugh2 wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:18 pm
Dude doesn't use standard terminology. He alternates between "shaft", "strut" and "mast" for the item every one else calls a "mast".
There has been, is , and will be only one word in the English language to accurately describe the structural component between the board and fuse.
See definitions, patents, well known designers, history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofoil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mast_(sailing)

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3804048

https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/hydrofoil

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/R ... 75897d480e

https://foils.org/hydrofoil-rudder-and- ... gn-issues/

https://nextfoils.com/all-products/

http://www.mikeslab.com/bullet-3/

https://www.deltahydrofoil.com/kite

https://books.google.fr/books/about/A_P ... edir_esc=y

https://foils.org/?s=strut

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/199 ... 086039.pdf



I could go on and on....
I find it interesting that the english speaking world is adopting the French word "mat", must show how much influence it had years ago in the foil board world.
Most notable is that if one were to do ANY research into hydrofoils the word "mast" will just NEVER be found before this millenium!
Yet strut was and is the still correct word.
Looking for profile naca info?
http://airfoiltools.com/site/search?cx= ... 1j581969j5
Try searching mast....
But alas, many will continue to be ill informed.
R H
All this and yet you refer to the part that the wings mount to as a “fuse”, which everyone knows is part of a bomb and not the central structural component of an aircraft.
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