interesting explanation. Makes sense, and is more in line with what I see people doing traditionally when kiting in the waves on surfboards. Usually what I've heard people say they want on foils is for the kite to disappear. They say they want it to be completely depowered and adding no pull so they can ride the wave unencumbered. Both of the example videos in this thread (the skateboarders, "mateos cut") seem to agree with this, there's obviously no pull from the kite on a skateboard, and in the "Mateos cut" video, he's barely flying the kite and has it pretty much sheeted out overhead the whole time except when going upwind, similar to what you'd do with a wing. The video of Gunnar looks like he's using a bit more kite power to pull him through his bottom turns, but it's hard to see as well with the line mount view and besides, Gunnar seems to have mostly given this up in favor of wing surfing.jumptheshark wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:26 amWell, most wingers are on boards 10-20x the volume of the kiter's board with all the swing weight that entails. That right there pretty much makes it a different thing altogether, but there is also the big wing in your hand as apposed to a 45cm bar, the soft power of said wing as apposed to the instant torque of a kite that can be feathered or summoned full force whenever and whatever the situation even while riding swell. I can tap into and completely shut off my kite five times in three turns in as much time it takes a winger to engage and then luff their wing once. Try surfing a wave while feathering the power of a wing off and on to suit in any part of any turn. No, in tiny waves like in that vid, the wing guys are surfing far more conservatively as dictated by the power of the wave. A wing is engaged only to go upwind, and provides no juice while surfing. With a kite, you can carve up and down something small and crank hard enough to kill all your speed and with a flick of the wrist you firing on down the line. Kites allows you to go down the line in waves that don't have the power for those kind of shortboard lines, where in the same conditions wingers are drawing more longboard like lines.
Surfing a foil with a wing in hand compared to a kite is as different as racing a foil with a wing in hand as compared to a kite.
A winger needs easily twice those conditions to manage what the guy in the video is doing. The dynamic power of a kite while actually carving in swell adds huge fun factor to small conditions, where a wing adds no positive dynamic to the swell beyond what you can milk from it with the foil alone, and even then you have to hold onto a big thing and trail it behind you. If you think its more fun your welcome to it. I'll gladly use you as a jibe mark
I agree that the Spitfire XLW is a good contender for surf/skate. XLW with a 75cm mast is lots of fun. It's just a tad heavy and all that momentum comes in the way of reactivity. I'd really love to try a light version of it. Lighter fuse and foam cored wings would be awesome, at the expense of its indestructibility. In the meantime, riding it with straps helps to muscle it a bit more and push harder, and since there's only really one foot position that works, once you've found it, you might as well get strapped in place at all times. The XXLW is a bit overkill and doesn't really provide any benefit for that type of kiting. More lift, slightly lower stall speed, but also slower and a fair bit heavier underwater make it not the ideal for quick "rail to rail" carves.
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