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Re: Moses 679 - which stabilizer?

Postby MattyM » Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:15 pm

luke-warmwater wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:46 am
Thanks to everyone for these very helpful replies.
Sounds like I'm definitely going to have to try a few different combinations. Even so, your comments have been very useful in pointing me in the right direction so thank you again.
When I find the perfect set up for me I'll be sure to add it on here.
I use the 679 with the 399 stab. Lovely and loose, fast and pitch stable - perfect!
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Re: Moses 679 - which stabilizer?

Postby max » Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:09 am

MattyM wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:15 pm
luke-warmwater wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:46 am
Thanks to everyone for these very helpful replies.
Sounds like I'm definitely going to have to try a few different combinations. Even so, your comments have been very useful in pointing me in the right direction so thank you again.
When I find the perfect set up for me I'll be sure to add it on here.
I use the 679 with the 399 stab. Lovely and loose, fast and pitch stable - perfect!
Did you just screw the 399 to the surf stab without any shim?

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Re: Moses 679 - which stabilizer?

Postby dybliejorgen » Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:55 pm

I had to shim my 400 stabilizer downwards (reduce front pressure) with 1 degree. Using 710, 679 and Sabfoil shims

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Re: Moses 679 - which stabilizer?

Postby MattyM » Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:28 pm

max wrote:
Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:09 am
MattyM wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:15 pm
luke-warmwater wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:46 am
Thanks to everyone for these very helpful replies.
Sounds like I'm definitely going to have to try a few different combinations. Even so, your comments have been very useful in pointing me in the right direction so thank you again.
When I find the perfect set up for me I'll be sure to add it on here.
I use the 679 with the 399 stab. Lovely and loose, fast and pitch stable - perfect!
Did you just screw the 399 to the surf stab without any shim?
Yes straight onto the surf fuse. No shim required. I've got a set of shims but never needed to try as to me feels perfectly balanced without.

Note I'm using it on a T35 board, and my mast is right at the back of the track.

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Re: Moses 679 - which stabilizer?

Postby dybliejorgen » Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:04 am

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I suggest to start demoing stabilizers from folks/shops around.
The 450 is more stable yet you’ll need to adjust mast position or stance and/or shim the stabilizer up.
Many people like to ride 679 with race stabilizers like 425-420-421
483 is good as is except it wants a tad more of yaw stability and wingtips get damaged relatively quick compared to stabilizers with wingtips pointed up.
I personally would use RDB 310 sq.cm - it’s as large as 483/450 but thinner, less draggy and doesn’t have “483/450 issues”
I took your advice and ordered the 310cm2 freeride stabilizer from RDB and mounted it without any shim to the 710 fuselage.
I have now tried the 370->400->RDB310.
Had the first session with the RDB310 yesterday in very challenging condition varying from 10-20 knots on a 7m UFO.
For me, this stabilizer is so much better than the 370 and 400.
I mostly ride in the open sea, doing long upwind legs followed by S-carving downwind, some big swell surfing, but no white water shore break.

Pros:
- Much better pitch and yaw stability
- Better low end
- Tacking and jibing is so much easier. While tacking with the smaller stabilizers I often stall the main wing due to too high AOA. The big stabilizer will help you too keep a low AOA.
- Great stability at high speed, tried to speed up a few a times and got 43,5km/h which is same or better than what I managed with the 400 because the 400 was so nervous.

Cons:
- Maybe a tad more drag
- Bigger turning radius

Thank you for your advice grigorib :)

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Re: Moses 679 - which stabilizer?

Postby dybliejorgen » Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:06 am


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Re: Moses 679 - which stabilizer?

Postby grigorib » Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:16 am

I have couple of 310 stabilizers available of anyone is interested.
PM please

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Re: Moses 679 - which stabilizer?

Postby grandeand » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:16 pm

grigorib wrote:
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I have couple of 310 stabilizers available of anyone is interested.
PM please
can you put a link of the product description? also some photos and technical characteristics. Thank you

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Re: Moses 679 - which stabilizer?

Postby grigorib » Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:55 pm

grandeand wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:16 pm
grigorib wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:16 am
I have couple of 310 stabilizers available of anyone is interested.
PM please
can you put a link of the product description? also some photos and technical characteristics. Thank you
Folks who’ve been riding 483 stabilizer probably wish for two things:
- Better yaw stability
- Winglets pointed up instead of the really prone to damage downward ones

Folks who upgraded to 450 stabilizer likely realize following:
- it’s pointed way too much down and needs a shim to be ridden reasonably
- just as 483, it’s thick and relatively slow

So here’s an alternative to consider
- similar area, the 310 sq.cm wave/lightwind stabilizer, thinner and less draggy profile than 483/450 (which led some to ride the 425), winglets rounded and pointed up preventing damage, doesn’t need shimming, provides great lowend and yaw stability, features quality carbon workmanship and is compatible with surf and kite fuselages.

Comes with stabilizer cover
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Re: Moses 679 - which stabilizer?

Postby grandeand » Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:35 pm

hi, very nice.
it looks very similar to the old 425.


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