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hybrid discipline: "Kite-Big-Foil" = wingfoil pulled by kite

Postby Regis-de-giens » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:50 pm

A dedicated topic for a "new" hybrid practice: using a big foil and board like for wing foil, but still using a kite as motor.
We are 2-3 riders having started this with some interesting feed back about safety on the big floater, decontraction with a smaller kite and low speed , light wind abilities.

Any experience could be shared her if you want.

For my case, it is for riding in the lowest breeze : single skin foil kite of 14m2, with a 1700 cm2 foil, on a 70 liters board ; First test showed that for 3-4 knots, 1700 cm2 is great but 70 liter is either too big (for classic waterstart) or too small (net enough buoyancy to stay on the boarding glide with almost pull at the start).

One friend is using a similar kite in 11m and is fan of this practice.

We are looking for the best name of it and seem to converge toward KiteBigFoil (Which covers both the choice of large foil (either SUP, WING of Wind foils) and light wind for bigger riders :wink: )
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Re: hybrid discipline : "Kite-Big-Foil" = wingfoil pulled by kite

Postby StellaBlu » Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:24 pm

I actually just saw a video of a guy doing this while towing another foiling rider with him. Kind of looked like novelty fun and maybe a good tow-in setup. Not sure why the guy with the kite needed the big board though...

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Re: hybrid discipline: "Kite-Big-Foil" = wingfoil pulled by kite

Postby cor » Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:51 pm

Seems a bit like an overkill to me. I mean you could also use a SUP, to be even more safe....?

I don´t understand why you would choose a sluggish board under your feet and an oversized wing over a smaller board and smaller wing, although it could help beginners for learning to HF. Yes, it´s maybe a bit more "safe" because it will float better, but you still need to pack up your kite when the wind drops the same way. A foilboard with 30-40l does this job as well. You don´t need a sluggish 70l board for that. I personally prefer something fast, agile and fun, also in light winds. Also, with a 14m2 single skin, a 900cm2 wing is enough to get you going in 3-4 knots if you know what you are doing.

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Re: hybrid discipline: "Kite-Big-Foil" = wingfoil pulled by kite

Postby bitxopalo » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:10 pm

I use a small wingboard, homemade, so do not know its volume (+-75L).
My Foil gong curve L 1350cm and with pulsion12 I can ride in 5knot, less is not possible for me.

For me is the only way to kitefoil, here wind changes continously.
So when the wind drops and the foil is down I am up on the board looping the kite and waiting for a gust to go again.

I can waterstart "kitemode" or wingmode... (not easy for me)

Here this winter:


Name?¿... Easyfoil :thumb:
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Re: hybrid discipline: "Kite-Big-Foil" = wingfoil pulled by kite

Postby Regis-de-giens » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:30 pm

Excellent video showing real marginal wind
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Re: hybrid discipline: "Kite-Big-Foil" = wingfoil pulled by kite

Postby bitxopalo » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:03 am

cor wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:51 pm
...... A foilboard with 30-40l does this job as well. You don´t need a sluggish 70l board for that. I personally prefer something fast, agile and fun, also in light winds. Also, with a 14m2 single skin, a 900cm2 wing is enough to get you going in 3-4 knots if you know what you are doing.
I will try to answer... I also prefer a small and light board, and use one where I can.

But swimming back to shore (let say 500m with a 30L board takes four times than with a 80L board for me (65KG+big kite packed). I have done both a lot, with a small board means end of session, bad mood.... tired etc...

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Re: hybrid discipline: "Kite-Big-Foil" = wingfoil pulled by kite

Postby Regis-de-giens » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:38 am

The bigger surface of the foil also helps to get throught lulls without fighting. Incredible, with thé help of kite lift, you can foil -up at the speed of a human walk....
And thanks to the slow planning of this larger foil you do not need a high performant kite to get upwind, so you can chose a light single skin one. (Total wind angle remains close to the real wind angle which is not the case on a faster kitefoil in very light wind).

I also largely prefer standard kitefoil above 5-6 knots for agility, speed and jumps. I think this kitebigfoil is mainly adressed to who already owns a wingfoil or windfoil board.

It is just another marginal alternative. For example, those who fell in love with the wing, and have or want to sold their kitefoil board, but want to keep foiling under 8 knots with their unique wing board. Or wing lovers that do not want to buy a very large and sensitive or expensive kite for lighter winds
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Re: hybrid discipline: "Kite-Big-Foil" = wingfoil pulled by kite

Postby bitxopalo » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:47 am

Wich Foil wing are you using Regis?
I am looking at some big and low drag ones....like veloce XL
But not sure wich one goes better

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Re: hybrid discipline: "Kite-Big-Foil" = wingfoil pulled by kite

Postby Regis-de-giens » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:51 am

I use a "franckyfoil", local shaper in france. approx 1700 cm2. aspect ratio is medium as you Can see on the photo.
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Re: hybrid discipline: "Kite-Big-Foil" = wingfoil pulled by kite

Postby Janus » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:17 am

It's still kitefoil to me.. 8)
I do it with my wing setup as well; Hipe 4.11 with Fluid L (1200) , once going it's fun because you can ride.
Wingboard start gave me kitereleash.. so prefered normal kite start.. but then it's prob to get on board in the low wind with my peaks.. working on it.
Just received a Fluid XLT (1550), winged it once so no opinium on that foil... but ordered an Fluid MT (950) as a hybrid foil for higher wind winging and kitefoiling.. we'll see..
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