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Re: help with turns

Postby glfmkg » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:41 am

Thank you all. Here is a video of my "best" turn LOL

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Essw66LSycs6fzeL7

Feel free to tell me everything that I'm doing wrong.

Thank you

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Re: help with turns

Postby bitxopalo » Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:49 am

Really seems you are not riding too fast (I thought that would be the problem)

could go better if you point upwind, during a pair of seconds, before the turn... 1 - slow the foil 2-create tension that is used to lean your body and make a tighter turn.

At first is difficult but you can lean your body with confidence, then putting a bit pressure on the back foot makes the turn tight. So you can follow the kite...you are not doing it.

As said forget the kite "a bit" (keeping it high) when the board goes downwind.

15knot easier than 10

Ey not bad for the sixth session!!

Hope it helps
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Re: help with turns

Postby flaps1111 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:29 am

Keep the kite high, to turn you don't need to dive the kite, which makes you destabilize, you have to try to make a fluid semicircle starting a little more than half way up the mast and don't mind touching the water at the end, with time you will get better.
Think about flying the hydro, here you fly 2 things at the same time, unlike kitesurfing where you only fly one.
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Re: help with turns

Postby 1234567Simon » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:28 am

You are Not stable enough for gybing.... Go practice more:

Sorry to say.... You Kite is in the absolute wrong place compared to you.....

Do Not try to Gybe.

Try to go downwind.... Then Back to normal direction.
Try to go downwind, then a little more to new direction, then back again:

Remember : trying to Gybe, will lead to a wrong Kite positing.

That was what helped me a Lot ...

You are looking great!!!! IT will come for sure....
Just relax and have fun going füll upwind, and füll downwind.... Suddenly gybing ist super simple
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Re: help with turns

Postby Peter_Frank » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:14 pm

1234567Simon wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:28 am
You are Not stable enough for gybing.... Go practice more:

Sorry to say.... You Kite is in the absolute wrong place compared to you.....

Do Not try to Gybe.

Try to go downwind.... Then Back to normal direction.
Try to go downwind, then a little more to new direction, then back again:

Remember : trying to Gybe, will lead to a wrong Kite positing.

That was what helped me a Lot ...

You are looking great!!!! IT will come for sure....
Just relax and have fun going füll upwind, and füll downwind.... Suddenly gybing ist super simple

Agree, for your 6th session it is amazing, you are doing great, just keep at it !


Most important thing apart from that, watching your video:

As flaps1111 says, keep the kite higher througout the turn - and as I say, dont follow the kite, turn the kite around slower and later.

You make the classic mistake everybody experiences when learning, namely following the kite on a hydrofoil - the kite flies forward on the new tack, and drops in the water, in particular because you turn too wide now you are still learning, this effect is enhanced.

Focus on synchronizing the kite overflying with your turn, and learn to turn tighter - practise practise practise :D

8) Peter
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Re: help with turns

Postby cor » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:25 pm

Come one, you are doing great. You need to dial down your expectations a bit when it comes to gybes. Learning to gybe takes 1000 tries or more. It´s a real challenge actually.

The reason why you stall is:
-You follow the kite. Instead, you should make a sharp turn with your foil so that you keep line tension.
-The pull from the kite is not consistent. That is why I always recommend to make a downloop instead of turning the kite past 12. When downlooping, the kite keeps flying with the same speed (hence, consistent pull). But when you turn it past 12, the kite will almost loose all it´s power at the top and then suddenly you need to dive it quite aggressively to get that extra pull to keep you flying. It just adds more complexity and you are already busy with your board. Yes, you can do this also more in the wind window, but this is much, much harder than a downloop. Try it at least once: Initiate the downloop and one second later (this delay is important!), initiate the sharp gybe.

Also, I recommend to exercise gybes without flying first, meaning the board is on the water. If you feel comfortable, you can do it with more and more speed, still having some water touches until you finall fly through the gybe.

PS I learned to duck tack first before I could gybe... I just think it´s way easier than gybing but maybe that´s just me.
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Re: help with turns

Postby Kamikuza » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:23 pm

cor wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:25 pm
Learning to gybe takes 1000 tries or more. It´s a real challenge actually.
Rubbish :lol: oh, unless you're including a foot change mid-gybe... I've never even attempted doing that, would ruin all the fun.

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Re: help with turns

Postby Kamikuza » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:59 pm

glfmkg wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:41 am
Thank you all. Here is a video of my "best" turn LOL

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Essw66LSycs6fzeL7

Feel free to tell me everything that I'm doing wrong.

Thank you
I may be wrong, but here's what I think you're doing wrong...

You're trying to get the kite to pull you around onto the new tack (like you're riding a draggy twin tip that needs power the whole way round).
Won't work, because the foil will zip downwind faster than the kite can cross the window and start pulling you again, and you're not confident enough yet to drive the board around to the new tack ... so you and the kite are stalling and falling.

Start like this (port tack):
kite at 11,
ride upwind and increase your upwind angle until you start to slow right down -- almost to stall speed,
bringing the kite up to 12 as you almost stop,
dive the kite to 2 and
let the kite pull (and rotate) you around onto toe side, riding downwind, then
as you get stable, angle around back to a good tack upwind.

Or...
Forget about the kite and concentrate on keeping your speed up going into the gybe with the kite moving slowly up to 12, and flying the board around to the new tack, without the kite pulling you until you're actually on the new tack.

The trick is (with both) that the kite is going to stall when you're riding at it, so timing when to direct it -- and carving the board around to the new tack -- is the trick.

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Re: help with turns

Postby purdyd » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:21 pm

All kinds of nuggets of good advice.

Your turn is too wide. It needs to be tighter.

Work on s turns when going in a straight line.

Work on turning quickly without worrying so much about the kite.

And just keep working at it.

6 sessions in you are doing great!
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Re: help with turns

Postby rnelias » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:26 pm

@glfmkg as you could note from previous posts, there's a bunch of different things you may try because: what's best for one will not always be best for everybody regarding gybes.

Some (other) things to keep in mind:

-- Foils pivot around the mast, thus, it's not mandatory to do a nice and smooth turn. You can even rotate in the same point depending on the pull you command on your kite.

-- Forget about the kite and focus on your board. When I started to ride hydrofoils my kiting skills improved a lot and you'll note it too.

-- In my local spot the wind is always weak (10-12k) and, as I've cited previously, downloops helped me a ton. No rocket science and, in fact, much easier than downloop transitions with tt. Keep the kite high, crank the bar -- or pull straight from your front hand line as @lamilu suggested -- and wait for the pull. If the wind is light, this pull will be gentle enough to make you turn in the other direction (remember, hydrofoils can pivot in the same place)

I don't know how to tack yet but can do foot switch (all 4 possible) and 8/10 gybe transitions I do are using downloops as I think it's much easier with loops. Actually, I don't use downloops only when I'm overpowered, when it's easier to keep line tension even with the kite high.
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