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Re: help with turns

Postby rnelias » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:35 pm

By the way

Are you using rope/slider or hook?

if you're using waist harness with hooks, loose it as much as you can because tight harness with hook will limit you a lot when learning gybes. Any unbalance source will be a disaster for someone in the learning stages...

If your harness is rigid like Majestic, it'll not rotate very well neither if you wear it completly loose as the harness has an elliptical format.

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Re: help with turns

Postby glfmkg » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:20 pm

Thank you all! all of these tips are great! I will get in the water today and practice, practice, practice!

Thanks again for taking the time to respond.

G.

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Re: help with turns

Postby 1234567Simon » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:26 pm

1234567Simon wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:28 am
You are Not stable enough for gybing.... Go practice more:

Sorry to say.... You Kite is in the absolute wrong place compared to you.....

Do Not try to Gybe.

Try to go downwind.... Then Back to normal direction.
Try to go downwind, then a little more to new direction, then back again:

Remember : trying to Gybe, will lead to a wrong Kite positing.

That was what helped me a Lot ...

You are looking great!!!! IT will come for sure....
Just relax and have fun going füll upwind, and füll downwind.... Suddenly gybing ist super simple
OK,... Sorry for the hard words... 6th Session you are doing super great!

Typical Problem also with a Directional.... Kite Zooms around to the new Side all the way to the Wind Windows.
You are still going full downwind.
Actually Kite is almost flying upwind now.... Lines must slack.....

Again... Do Not fly the Kite to the new direction ... You are Not stable enough for following the Kite... Goal is to go downwind and fly SCurves.....

practise Up and downwind.... After 12 Sessions you will be flying large S-Turns.... And bammmm you will easy Finish your gybes......

And now I am ready Bad: next Challenge -> Foot switching 🤮😳😳😳

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Re: help with turns

Postby glfmkg » Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:03 pm

1234567Simon wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:26 pm
1234567Simon wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:28 am
You are Not stable enough for gybing.... Go practice more:

Sorry to say.... You Kite is in the absolute wrong place compared to you.....

Do Not try to Gybe.

Try to go downwind.... Then Back to normal direction.
Try to go downwind, then a little more to new direction, then back again:

Remember : trying to Gybe, will lead to a wrong Kite positing.

That was what helped me a Lot ...

You are looking great!!!! IT will come for sure....
Just relax and have fun going füll upwind, and füll downwind.... Suddenly gybing ist super simple
OK,... Sorry for the hard words... 6th Session you are doing super great!

Typical Problem also with a Directional.... Kite Zooms around to the new Side all the way to the Wind Windows.
You are still going full downwind.
Actually Kite is almost flying upwind now.... Lines must slack.....

Again... Do Not fly the Kite to the new direction ... You are Not stable enough for following the Kite... Goal is to go downwind and fly SCurves.....

practise Up and downwind.... After 12 Sessions you will be flying large S-Turns.... And bammmm you will easy Finish your gybes......

And now I am ready Bad: next Challenge -> Foot switching 🤮😳😳😳
don't worry about the hard words! I can take it LOL

I appreciate your advise. I will work on those S curves for sure!

Thank you!
G.

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Re: help with turns

Postby glfmkg » Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:06 pm

rnelias wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:35 pm
By the way

Are you using rope/slider or hook?

if you're using waist harness with hooks, loose it as much as you can because tight harness with hook will limit you a lot when learning gybes. Any unbalance source will be a disaster for someone in the learning stages...

If your harness is rigid like Majestic, it'll not rotate very well neither if you wear it completly loose as the harness has an elliptical format.
I'm using a hook with a DaKine waist harness. It moves on me quiet a bit, so I think that achieves what you are suggesting? I have never use a rope/slider. I do have a seat harness as well, and I see a lot of people foiling using seat harness, would a seat harness be easier?

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Re: help with turns

Postby rnelias » Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:04 pm

glfmkg wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:06 pm
I'm using a hook with a DaKine waist harness. It moves on me quiet a bit, so I think that achieves what you are suggesting? I have never use a rope/slider. I do have a seat harness as well, and I see a lot of people foiling using seat harness, would a seat harness be easier?
A rope/slider would help you more than a seat harness in your stage. It'll give you more freedom to change heel/toe sides and vice versa without having your waist constantly twisted by the kite.

Seat harnesses make the riding more confortable when we need to ride overpowered with the kite high in the wind window ;)
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Re: help with turns

Postby Peter_Frank » Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:35 pm

Must say, I dont believe in downlooping when learning...
Actually as experienced I almost never use it, as mostly downsides IMO, but that is beyond the topic here.

Downlooping you will lose kite control at your stage, so it goes down.
OR, you will end up without foil control and risk it flies up in the air.

Regarding a sliding bar - I think it is purely personal preference, nothing but that.

If you like a slider on a waveboard, you will like it on a hydrofoil.
And vice versa, if you like me, dislike it, you wont like it on a hydrofoil nor a waveboard.

Can not see it making any difference in this stage of learning...

Use what you are comfortable with, and just spend more time.

Your body and mind wont coordinate for a long time, but you will get it and eventually just carve around effortlessly every time :rollgrin:

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Re: help with turns

Postby purdyd » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:11 pm

I think the rope slider makes a big difference riding toe side, not really much difference for gibing.

Downloop maybe if your problem is powering out of the turn or committing the kite. Didn’t see that in the video.

If you are getting ahead of the kite, that can be a cure. I can remember going through that phase.

My problem I got going going in a straight line and became very efficient so I was using too small a kite to learn the gybe. I had to go back up a size or two to get the gybe.

A t some point you will want a downloop in your bag of tricks.

I never figured out how to surface gybe. I got friends who are really good who still touch down during a gybe or footswitch.

I think the surface gybe, your board sort of interferes with your ability to learn how to turn the foil.

Just my opinion and it might have been that I had a fairly large board.

That’s another thing, sometimes those large boards can sort of get in the way of learning. You got more to move around.

Anyway, good luck! You will sort it out. 6 sessions is nothing,
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Re: help with turns

Postby rnelias » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:29 pm

purdyd wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:11 pm
I think the rope slider makes a big difference riding toe side, not really much difference for gibing.

Downloop maybe if your problem is powering out of the turn or committing the kite. Didn’t see that in the video.

If you are getting ahead of the kite, that can be a cure. I can remember going through that phase.

My problem I got going going in a straight line and became very efficient so I was using too small a kite to learn the gybe. I had to go back up a size or two to get the gybe.

A t some point you will want a downloop in your bag of tricks.

I never figured out how to surface gybe. I got friends who are really good who still touch down during a gybe or footswitch.

I think the surface gybe, your board sort of interferes with your ability to learn how to turn the foil.

Just my opinion and it might have been that I had a fairly large board.

That’s another thing, sometimes those large boards can sort of get in the way of learning. You got more to move around.

Anyway, good luck! You will sort it out. 6 sessions is nothing,
same here... never tried surface gybes neither foot switches in the learning phase. Tried everything keeping the foil in the air and it was easier since the board remain stable, without waves shaking the board.

but... as I've said before... there's no perfect recipe that will work for everybody regarding gybes. Teachers usually try to find a method to apply and make the path smoother for others but, when learning alone, you'll have to find your way.
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Re: help with turns

Postby Si_DB » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:18 am

Watching the video your kite looked super low at the end which means you have nothing to balance against and no power to keep you on the foil.

I stayed away from downloops for a long time due to a past bad experience but on the lighter days I think it makes learning to gybe so much easier.

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