Connection stability is different than mast stiffness and has nothing to do with the mast material. This is a matter of engineering and both aluminum and carbon masts can be poorly or well-engineered. I've dealt with unstable connections - any play in the connections is going to drive you crazy. They aren't rideable. Even the tiniest amount of play can make a foil very unpredictable and this is exacerbated with speed. I also like the F-one monoblock connections (similar to Cabrinha) - they seem super solid (although this isn't the mast). In general, you want m8 connections in high stress locations (mast > board, fuse > mast) wherever possible. m6 is more susceptible to sheering, stretching threads and play over time. If its m6, use the longest bolts possible, use high quality bolts, and use torx.Nelis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:15 pmMay I lift on this topic..
I'm wondering whether the latest gen carbon masts - that are supposed to be way more rigid for handling big winging frontwings - bring any noticable advantages for kiters?
Sabfoil > Kraken
Armstrong > New 93.5cm carbon mast
Gong > Carbon V2 non-monobloc
Levitaz > New 90cm (instead of 96cm)
Personally I'm already on previous gen carbon, and love it, however I think my old alu Slingshot setup was both extremely heavy and had sloppy connections which introduced wobbles. But if I see for instance the F-one connections on their alu system, they seem to be much better engineered interfaces.
Now wondering if it's worth it upgrading to the latest gen carbon stuff.
winging, besides slower, also uses shorter masts and do not have to edge against the propulsion system, not in the scale required for foil racing guys on big foil kites, however, my point here is try to focus just on the "average Joe" like myself that just mown the law doing foot switches at low to moderate speed for these riders, carbon masts seem overkill to me.StellaBlu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:31 pmIm only winging these days, so I can't really comment on firsthand experience with current gen carbon for kiting. While wing foils are generally wider (putting higher stress on the mast), winging is often slower than kiting. At kite foil speeds, I would have to imagine that mast stiffness is noticeable, even if the foils are smaller. In the same vein, drag is more noticeable as speed increases, so mast thickness would be more noticeable at higher speeds.
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