Breze wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:41 pm
leeuwen is spot on!
One dude owned both 13m Dlab and 13m HL3, he sold the HL although he took the HL if it was really low. But didn`t got warm with the HL( swimming, slow turning, not used to foils) He now uses a light, cheap, one trick pony Kauper Nerio 15m .
Hi Breze,
curious: why do you think the Nerio to be a "one trick pony"?
I own a 13m (should have got a 15m at 110Kg...), but find it quite a nice kite, resambling a bit foil kites in behaviour. It's pretty fast for the size, and relaunches in unexpectedly light winds.
My use has been in the 7-10 knots range. Does it get worse in higher ranges? Or do you feel some other limitation I haven't stumbled upon as yet?
Other question: as you (or your buddies) seem to have direct experience, would you recommend flying larger kites on shorter lines?
I was thinking of making a 62cm bar with 15m lines for the 17m (gong) and 13m (Nerio). I know I would lose a lot of pull through the window, but I'd probably be able to recover some through faster continuous looping during waterstart. And – especially for the GONG – I'd love the faster movement during manouvers.
Thank you!
P.S.
apologies: don't want to feel like I hijacked the conversation...
I never had "exactly" sized foils & pumps at the same time, but I haven't felt much difference between my owned foil kites (Peak and Kitech FRS) and pump kites of comparable size (Strutless, Ultra, Nerio).
Am actually of the impression that my Strutless 17 is more powerful than my previous Kitech 15m UL. The Gong is more powerful during waterstart as it is quicker in the air, and it makes lots of apparent wind too (but much lower range). The Nerio at 13m seems to get me going later than what the Kitech could though.
There surely are difference with specific kites, but here people seem convinced that, for power, Foil Kite (m) = Pump Kite (m+2). I don't believe this to be true.
And given how little energy is there in ultra light winds, I myself would switch kite type of same size only if I were looking for a different kite
behaviour and/or relaunch.
When I'm unable to start on the 13m Nerio, I can't imagine a 13m foild that would do the trick. I'd simply switch to a 15/18m foil, or in practice, to my 17m GONG.