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Long mast - is it a con?

Postby Wolf of Ainsdale » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:06 pm

New to foiling. Currently on 72cm carbon north sonar mast and am doing my first transitions successfully. I've read that you should upgrade to a longer foil but a couple of the best foilers round here reckon it's a bit of a myth. They say just get better on your small mast. They also say a short mast is more fun as its more skatey with a better direct feel. Re swell and breaching they just say get better.

With the 95cm carbon mast retailing at 750, I need to be sure that it would be a good move. What do you reckon?

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Re: Long mast- is it a con?

Postby Windigo1 » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:11 pm

If you ride mainly flat water and light wind 72 is fine. The long mast is really useful to go fast in choppy water if you don't want to breach in the waves. It's also good for racers who go upwind at a a steep angle to keep their wings under water. Personally I like between 80 and 90 for a do everything mast, 72 a bit short but totally acceptable for flat water.

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Re: Long mast- is it a con?

Postby lifeinthehood » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:36 pm

Not really a con. More just about what you're after. I learned on a 92 cm mast. Went to a 102 cm and went back and forth between the two all summer. As I got better and got competent at surfing the swell, I decided to try out my 70 and 82 cm that I have for winging. It turned out that I really enjoyed them and didn't breach nearly as much as I thought I would, even with really large swell and chop. The thing is when you get good with your pitch control, you simply adjust your height as you encounter waves and "trace" the surface. Plus, what's the fun in riding through the waves without having to do anything? I enjoy rolling up and down over large swell.

The benefit of going smaller was that I had much more maneuverability/carvability in the swell. It was a ton of fun carving super tight twists and turns. I still can with my 92 cm and 102 cm masts, but it just wasn't as quick to react. 82 cm has been a pretty happy medium for me. As it an additional perk, it's quite easy to pack for traveling.

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Re: Long mast- is it a con?

Postby consumer » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:42 pm

agree with others. ask yourself if you need a 13 cm more forgiveness ? I do because I encounter big chop and use the height to absorb gusts and sloppy pump through lulls.

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Re: Long mast- is it a con?

Postby Wolf of Ainsdale » Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:17 pm

Thanks for the replies. I'm on swell but not massive stuff just sweaty mush. Gonna carry on with the 72 and see how I am get on. I'm not breaching that much if at all at the moment but am constantly on guard adapting the pitch to the conditions which although not relaxing is pretty fun.

Foiling is such a good feeling.

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Re: Long mast - is it a con?

Postby fernmanus » Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:20 am

I have a 72, 85, and 93 cm masts. The short ones are SS Phantasm and the middle is the North Sonar Carbon. The 85 is my favorite for the choppy water and waves where I ride. A longer mast helps for the conditions already mentioned. If you are not breaching much, a longer mast is not necessary.

Out of curiosity, what front wing are you using?

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Re: Long mast - is it a con?

Postby leeuwen » Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:32 am

Longer masts are a trade off:
You win pitch stability but that is the same as saying losing maneuvering speed.
(Off course you also have more wiggle room with the longer mast)

If you want a more stable platform to eg learn foot switches a longer mast is great. A weight shift causes less of a pitch change so you have more time to react + longer masts means more room so it’s making it easier in 2 ways.

On the other side of the spectrum: if you want to ride waves a long mast can actually be too slow to react/adjust for the quick pitch changes you will need, especially riding close to the surface where most of the “action” is.

That being said 72cm is really on the short side even for wave riding afaik.

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Re: Long mast - is it a con?

Postby 1234567Simon » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:21 am

Beeing small with short legs the "Suspension system" IS Short.

85 going to 100cm .... Never ever even thought about trying the 85 again...

Less breaching, more stable If riding Low.... Everthing better for me!!!!


But really might be depending in the Mast width... If very wide.... Might be too stable


But going Out in light onshore Wind, IS Impossible for me.

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Re: Long mast - is it a con?

Postby Wolf of Ainsdale » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:00 am

Using a 1150 wing at the mo to the poster above.

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Re: Long mast - is it a con?

Postby mashimisha2 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:35 am

Using an 800 cm2 front wing and medium stab, I found that an 85cm mast provided terrific manoeuvrability, but it is hard to avoid breaching in any kind of chop.
Using the same wing with a small stab, I found that a 95cm mast provided roughly the same same handling without constant crashing.
The longer mast allows me to relax and think about something other than how high I am above waves.
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