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Zeeko spitfire and Canards in general

Postby pcatran » Sun Nov 26, 2023 12:53 pm

I have a zeeko spitfire and I LOVE IT!
Why no one is winging on canards?
Is zeeko the only manufacturer?
Why isn't canards getting the attention it deserves?



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Re: Zeeko spitfire and Canards in general

Postby lederhosen » Sun Nov 26, 2023 1:36 pm

Exactly! New kite foils are either big beginner/wave foils or race foils. Where are narrow foils which are good for turning?

I added the xxlw wings for light wind foiling this summer and love it too, so much easier to handle than a stretched out foil the same size.

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Re: Zeeko spitfire and Canards in general

Postby eree » Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:50 pm

pcatran wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 12:53 pm
Is zeeko the only manufacturer?
Why isn't canards getting the attention it deserves?
The answer is probably is in your question.
It is because it does not deserve much attention.
In aviation canard system finds use mostly in supersonic military applications, and it is not without its flaws.
In aviation the angle of attack of the canard wing is variable, apparently not on Zeeko foil.
So not much gain.

Only one advantage i see is the shorter length of the whole foilboard set if you want to put in your van without taking the foil apart. But who knows, may be this will be the main reason people will start buying canard foils soon?

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Re: Zeeko spitfire and Canards in general

Postby bragnouff » Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:37 pm

The fact that something works well and the fact that it is a commercial success are unrelated. Same example for thick surf style railed TTs. Fantastic to ride, but the market went with thin edges out of a snowboard style production process...
The spitfires are unique, they take a bit of adjustment to get dialed in, but they're super fun. Advantages, overall a more compact design, different feeling in turns, some recoverable breaching, natural tendency to not shoot in the air after a fall. Inherently safer because of that. Disadvantages: maybe not the level of glide that is achieved by traditional foil designs. But this could be due to a choice of going for low ratio for turns and compactness as opposed to the more recent trend of going over 1m wingspan and thin blades. Could be also due to few years of difference in the designs with different objectives. Main disadvantage in the current implementation is weight. Aluminium mast and fuse, and wings carved out of slabs of G10. Bombproof, but heavy. Also very sensitive to foot position. There's a magic spot, and an inch or two outside of that spot, it just doesn't want to lift off, or doesn't feel right.
XXLW works for winging, (even if it predates winging). But it feels different, and it needs a bit of adaptation time to feel right under foot. Not really the best option for pump and glide on small bumps, but with a powered riding, it does the job, and is an interesting alternative.
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Re: Zeeko spitfire and Canards in general

Postby airsail » Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:42 pm

Having never ridden a canard foil, do they pump? Canards would be a none starter if they don’t.

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Re: Zeeko spitfire and Canards in general

Postby lederhosen » Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:41 am

airsail wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:42 pm
Having never ridden a canard foil, do they pump? Canards would be a none starter if they don’t.
Yes, the spitfire can be pumped.

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Re: Zeeko spitfire and Canards in general

Postby Fatso » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:57 am

Like others have said, they were very expensive and also very heavy. Imagine a full carbon model...

Never ridden one but was on my list of wanting to try it. Especially for the back foot surf like riding.

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Re: Zeeko spitfire and Canards in general

Postby pcatran » Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:05 pm

Spitfire glides less? How do you compare?

It does feels less stable, I do have difficulty to change the feet while foiling, I end almost always touching down the board, but I never associated this with the less gliding, but rather on the less stability.

This "glides less" is something that needs objection: how can 2 wings glide less than one? are you comparing comparable settings?

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Re: Zeeko spitfire and Canards in general

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Re: Zeeko spitfire and Canards in general

Postby pcatran » Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:46 pm

lederhosen wrote:
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