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Re: Beginner progression

Postby ffoil » Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:52 am

Early last year I was comfortably water starting and riding both directions while I was learning to kitefoil and just dropping into the water to change tack. Once I learned to gybe I ended up riding left foot forward for my entire sessions, riding toeside and never switching stance. I then had a NEED to water start right foot forward this weekend and could NOT do it....by only keeping one stance I completely UNLEARNED what was previously very comfortable.

My #kitegoal for '24 is to learn to foot swap so I don't become locked into one stance.

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Re: Beginner progression

Postby Saffa365 » Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:40 pm

Great advice from all you experienced guys
I had a great session today on my 8m ufo and the only thing that was different was the size of the swell , today was literally .3m swell , whereas I’ve been learning in much larger swell
Made leaps and bounds today , got around onto toeside a few times just kite timing was totally off
It’s much easier in flat water as you have a few less things to deal with .
All in all nice long rides on my “bad side “ .
Slow and steady

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Re: Beginner progression

Postby simonsays » Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:12 pm

A few years ago I asked this really good foiler in the Turks to watch my tacking attempts, and after a frustrating session of failed attempts he really pissed me off with his advice: "Everything looks great, but you just need to crash a couple hundred more times." This was actually the tip that I needed to hear and led me to thinking about the crash price you have to pay to learn a new foiling skill. I just wish my crash price wasn't so high; I'm a slow learner :D

Don't give in and ride with only one stance - pay that crash price!
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Re: Beginner progression

Postby Saffa365 » Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:51 pm

When did everyone move onto a smaller board ?
By smaller board I mean in the 90-100cm range

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Re: Beginner progression

Postby grigorib » Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:15 pm

Saffa365 wrote:
Sun Jan 28, 2024 1:22 pm
Hi Guys
Kitefoil newbie here , it’s probably a pointless question but are there any tips for riding on my bad side , riding right foot forward I’ve got it pretty much dialed in, but left foot forward I feel like a clown
Is it just a case of more time on the water or is there something fundamental I should be looking out for ?

How much time do you guys spent on toeside ?

I’m very competent on a Tt and strapless surfboard just this foil on my bad side is defeating me

Cheers folks
I’m riding toeside 50% of time, I never switch my feet and get pretty good speed and upwind. Both on kitefoil and wingfoil.
A cheap excuse is - surfers don’t switch their feet. Practically, once I went strapless, I never bothered with strapless starts on my weak side. I practice riding my weak side on Onewheel and efoil just to keep the skill alive, but I’m not in need of actively using it.

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Re: Beginner progression

Postby mati » Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:35 pm

grigorib wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:15 pm
Saffa365 wrote:
Sun Jan 28, 2024 1:22 pm
Hi Guys
Kitefoil newbie here , it’s probably a pointless question but are there any tips for riding on my bad side , riding right foot forward I’ve got it pretty much dialed in, but left foot forward I feel like a clown
Is it just a case of more time on the water or is there something fundamental I should be looking out for ?

How much time do you guys spent on toeside ?

I’m very competent on a Tt and strapless surfboard just this foil on my bad side is defeating me

Cheers folks
I’m riding toeside 50% of time, I never switch my feet and get pretty good speed and upwind. Both on kitefoil and wingfoil.
A cheap excuse is - surfers don’t switch their feet. Practically, once I went strapless, I never bothered with strapless starts on my weak side. I practice riding my weak side on Onewheel and efoil just to keep the skill alive, but I’m not in need of actively using it.
Surfers do switch stance! Even JOB or Kai Lanny have done it in competition. The excuse is pretty bad also because in surfing you are 10 seconds riding a wave and in the best of the cases a few minutes waiting on the water. In foiling you are a lot of time riding, and a uncomfortable stance makes a big difference. Tacks are way easier to learn using V straps on the front. Don't give up!

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Re: Beginner progression

Postby grigorib » Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:26 pm

For me the toeside is really comfortable, especially with rope slider spreader bar I use. Years of pumping style skateboarding made me worried initially how am I going to kite board at all. Jumping on my weak side yields me the best boosts though.

I would advise against straps unless one is learning or racing or boosting. Strapless tacks are easy too

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Re: Beginner progression

Postby Allarounder » Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:48 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:28 pm
Oldman_Dave wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:36 pm
A few of us made the choice not to switch feet - we are super comfy 50% toeside and switch doesn't bring that many benefits. That's a valid option.

IMO it is not a good option....

Valid yes, but no advantages.
Compared to being able to ride both switch or not at any time on the waves, no matter if wind from right or left.

8) Peter
Actually there is an advantage.
You take advantage of your time better , learning more skills on your strong side , and not wasting time on the weakest side . Of course this is less fundamental, but good for busy people who don't have alot of time on the water but want to progress fast .

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Re: Beginner progression

Postby lifeinthehood » Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:16 pm

It all just depends on what your goals are. For myself, I'd like to be a very versatile kitefoiler so I am trying to get as comfortable riding goofy (right foot forward) as I am regular. I didn't spend nearly enough time on it last summer, but this year I will try to commit at least half an hour or more of my sessions riding goofy. I also think it will be far easier for me to get comfortable with foot switches if I'm comfortable riding goofy. Do I need to do it? Nope, absolutely not. I would just like to expand my skill set.

@Saffa365 - I learned on a 106 cm (42") strapless Kanaha Shapes board. Took me about 5 more months after getting water starts before I went to the 93cm (37") board. But honestly I could have gone to that size right away. Not that much difference between 37" and 42" in skill requirement.

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Re: Beginner progression

Postby ffoil » Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:06 am

Saffa365 wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:51 pm
When did everyone move onto a smaller board ?
By smaller board I mean in the 90-100cm range
I started on a CrazyFly Chill (135x46 cm)....once I was reliably gybing heel side to toe side (and back again) at about 75% of attempts, I switched to a CrazyFly F-Lite 99cm board and continued my progress and am now about 99% on transitions (but I don't change stance).


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