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Re: The Pansh A15, an A18 review

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:29 pm
by foilholio
Jakemoore is selling his A15 9m Ultralight

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pansh-A15-ME-U ... 3784093811

Re: The Pansh A15, an A18 review

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:00 pm
by foilholio
I'll repost this here as well

Ok disclaimer is this mod is still a work in progress, but I love it so far. My measurements could be slightly wrong or more,but I try. Replicating how I measure is important for reproducing the same. For extensions done as additional LCLs, that is from the knot to the top of the larkshead of the added lcl. All measurements were done on the kite assembled. I use as light a force to remove slack/droop as possible when measuring.

Most things can be changed using existing bridles, but some lighter line like 40-50kg will be needed for lcl extensions and kite line for mixer extensions/alterations.

I'll break it into parts and try be brief, as I can explain more if you want.

1. Remove all C bridles.

2. Convert mixer to 3:1.

3. Move 4 B bridles at tip to C position. Add lcl loop to now the tip C bridle.

4. Add new bridle for tip B to connect to A group at tip( I just larks head onto the bottom of it).

5. Add lcl extensions to Z bridles at tips.

My measurements ALL in mm for my 18m A15 You may have to convert them.

Mixertest- B+98

Blimit- 525

New B tip to A bridle- 1037

Z extensions (5 total) from tip inward- 157,117,71,45,27

Total length of center A bridle from A main top - 7595 - this I think you could use to calculate the lengths for a 9m or other sizes.

Other measurements that are not needed but may help

Reduce Z approx- 600

A main (doubled in half +extension) -1060

B main - unchanged

Converting measurements

I would look for input on this, but I guess you could use my (Total length of center A bridle from A main top - 7595) and compare to yours for a % change.

Otherwise you can use the formula that was used on the Fun Alex Aurora mod which is Length*(squareroot your kite size/squareroot my kite size).

I would think that only these need converting

New B tip to A bridle- 1037

Z extensions (5 total) from tip inward- 157,117,71,45,27

with the formula for a 9m they become

New B tip to A bridle- 691

Z extensions (5 total) from tip inward- 105,78,47,30,18

Converting the mixer

I doubled the A main in half and added an extension at the bottom to get the B limit correct. I connected the other pulley on an extension off the front main. The front end of the pulley line connects to the front of the loop on the B pulley. I added a overhand simple knot to the end of the pulley line to stop it at the pulley. I shortened the Z main with a larkshead back onto a 8 knot on it, like FS has used to adjust things. I also connected it to an 8 knot on the middle of the rear main for quick adjustment. I suggest adjusting the A main for the B limit and Z for the mixer test. B has no adjustment and does not need it.

Additional notes

The Z extensions, increase L/D and stability but affect turning. They are quite tolerant to different lengths.

The B tip bridle affects the kite quite a bit, maybe play with it.

It is a work still in progress, but good so far. Hopefully you or others can offer ideas.

Re: The Pansh A15, an A18 review

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:53 am
by foilholio
viewtopic.php?f=197&t=2392917&start=90

New mod for the mixer, very applicable to the A15. Tested and used on A15 9m,12m and 15m by the inventor ljackov. Tested by me on a Genesis so far and it works very well. If you want faster turning and more LEI feel, shorter bar travel, more bar pressure, I highly suggest you try it. It is quite quick to implement in under 30mins.

I will test it with my existing mod.

Re: The Pansh A15, an A18 review

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:48 pm
by a99
foilholio wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:53 am
viewtopic.php?f=197&t=2392917&start=90
New mod for the mixer, very applicable to the A15. Tested and used on A15 9m,12m and 15m by the inventor ljackov. Tested by me on a Genesis so far and it works very well. If you want faster turning and more LEI feel, shorter bar travel, more bar pressure, I highly suggest you try it.
I would like to ask you which kite from Pansh all available kites model (kite sizes 4m-8m) is most suited for Hydrofoiling with large wing ? Preferebly fast turning and with biggedt possible wind range. Also Do you think Genesis 6m can have 6-20knots range for large foiling wing for 75kg?

Re: The Pansh A15, an A18 review

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:47 pm
by S2000kitesurfer
I would like to ask you which kite from Pansh all available kites model (kite sizes 4m-8m) is most suited for Hydrofoiling with large wing ? Preferebly fast turning and with biggedt possible wind range. Also Do you think Genesis 6m can have 6-20knots range for large foiling wing for 75kg?
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At 65kg I could easily hold the 10m Genesis up to 20 knots with Luchezar Jackov line mod.
Maybe we should call this the Jacko Mod 🤷🤣.

Re: The Pansh A15, an A18 review

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:41 am
by foilholio
It really depends what you want to do, but with a large wing surfing is usually the use so A15 and Genesis are the kites. The Genesis is faster turning, but with the new mixer I think A15 will turn quite fast. 6knots is pushing it on a 6m you will need probably a ~2000cm2 hydrofoil. I can't water start in that wind with a 6m but I can ride. You can pump big foils quite well so technically you can ride them with no kite. I need about 8knots to water start but then I use a tiny board. Maybe with a giant sup type board you could start in 6knots.
S2000kitesurfer wrote:Maybe we should call this the Jacko Mod
It deserves to be called a new type of mixer not just a mod. While the simple rearrangement of lines is a mod and quite incredible, it is such a new and different arrangement of the lines that it is a whole new type of mixer. Hyper mixer? Turbo mixer? Overdrive mixer? like Cab used to call their pulley bar. Plaid mixer for spaceballs fans :-)

Re: The Pansh A15, an A18 review

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:59 am
by a99
Probably we need to call it simple Pansh or Genesis (modification) mixer :) or revers pulley or X (becausd one pulley up one down).

Re: The Pansh A15, an A18 review

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:44 pm
by foilholio
I replied in the other thread.

Re: The Pansh A15, an A18 review

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:18 pm
by a99
9 meter UL version. Bar is 50cm flysurfer. Wind is probably 10-12 knots in this clip

Re: The Pansh A15, an A18 review

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:03 pm
by foilholio
Is that with the mod?

Aurora 3 topic viewtopic.php?f=197&t=2404472