I can't explain it eloquently but it's basically a VMG thing, hence why speed equipment looks very different than course racing at the moment. Since you can increase your camber, you can create a sufficient increase in lift (with commensurate drag) at deeper polars aka lower apparent wind speeds. Because you can keep tension on your front lines and go much deeper, it's a faster path to the leward mark (gate).socommk23 wrote:This i dont understand.foilholio wrote:Mossy you should try it against a WAC line one day and also combined, that is crazy.
You are talking about the diablo line? Increasing camber reduces stall, so you can sheetin further before the kite will stall, lift increases as well like that. More lift and a lower stall point mean the wing will fly in less wind, like when riding downwind... so it rides better downwind. I believe the downwind leg improvement of such mods is the reason they are used in racing.socommk23 wrote:2lb lighter but 50%stronger........carbonfibre!
Im yet to try the camber change feature and will endevour to but in kite buggying im yet to find a situation it can be used without backstalling it. The only time i can imagine is to power up while turning a point to downwind. But i dont think it will work to sustain high speed down wind.
Just a fast kite and flying it right does that just fine.
Increasing camber would increase lift, an increase in lift increases drag. This would surely bring the stalling point to a lower speed. Therefore can not reduce stall.
I have had the kite fly above my head and used the camber change and it will stall as you pull the bar in before the brakes are on. Surely this is just aoa and boundary layer separation. For some reason i cant get my head around increasing camber being usefull for extreme down wing angles.
Can anyone do a sketch to enlighten me?
That being said, the R1V2 doesn't have a Diablo or WAC setup and it sails the deepest angles at the fastest speeds of any kite on the course, so whatever Ozone has done with their bridle tuning they've somehow created the same performance increase you might expect from a drastic increase in camber without needing a 6-4:2:1 mixer setup like Elf and F-One. Flysurfer initially talked about putting something similar on the Sonic2 but then very quickly issued a press release that they didn't think the added complexity in the speed system and risk of instability was justified by the marginal performance improvement that's very specific to course racing only.
Who knows...I think a properly designed kite shouldn't need the added drag/weight of more pulleys and lines in the speed system, and the R1V2 has proven such. That being said, I do enjoy the feeling of letting the trimmer all the way out and engaging 6:2:1 ratios and blasting downwind, it's definitely a noticeable difference compared to previous generations of the Elf Joker, imho.