coffeeking wrote:Ok, that's surprising. I can get out on a TT with my 9 waroo in 16ish and hold it to 30+ so for a foil that claims to be high depower, 8kts range seems a bit poor?
Everyone measures wind differently. I've ridden both kites. I can assure you, the 12m Speed 5 has much more than 2 knots better low end than a 9m waroo
The speed 5 is a really nice user friendly kite. I never used the old arcs, but I don't think you have to worry about being pulled downwind on launch like you described.
That said, I think foils really outperform LEI kites in the bigger sizes. In higher winds I don't think there's much of an advantage. If you're getting just one foil, id make it your biggest kite (15m or larger).
You can safely self land a foil in over 20 kts of wind by releasing to a single line, but it usually flops around a few times. Its not going to damage the bridles, but it will probably be a tangled mess (at least it always is for me).