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Re: Flysurfer Soul

Postby Adventure Logs » Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:54 pm

seppalord wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:04 am
Does the long mixer test also work when I let the bar attached and fix the bar so that it can't move and make then the test shown in the video ?
I wouldn't do it with the bar attached because then you are dealing with bar line shrinkage as well. Personally, I would rather do a bar line test separately.
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Re: Flysurfer Soul

Postby downunder » Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:59 pm

Adventure Logs wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:25 am
nothing2seehere wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:24 am
I had a disappointing session on my Soul 10m with a hydrofoil the other day and I think it was basically just that I was overpowered. The wind picked up from 13 knots when I launched to 18-19 whilst I was out there. Being honest I would also have had a difficult time on my Airush ultra 9m but at the time the slow steering speed and lack of confidence to pull downloops through the gybes was frustrating. I probably would have changed to a twin tip if I'd known the wind would pick up but as it was stronger than the forecast I forgot to pack it in the car.

Being fairly green to foil kites, can anyone suggest techniques for a softer slower downloop into a gybe? I'm running 20m lines. Is that just too much for a foil? Should I be pulling a steering line to try and keep the loop higher in the wind window? Keep the bar pinned at full power to prevent the kite whizzing through and generating to much power?
No need to downloop. I would keep tension on the steering lines to the point of almost backstalling. This way the kite will pivot faster and not lose tension. See if your back lines are 2cm shorter, it's how I prefer my Souls, gives a little backstall ability which is greatly beneficial when you hydrofoil.
This above in bold...
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Seppalord, it would be a little more complicated leaving the bar attached. Just get a leaderline or a long pigtail or any rope will do and secure it anywhere where you can pull on it with at least 5-10kg of strength. As i said before make a knot on it somwhere in the middle so you can have some line left for one more knot later on. Attach both A and Z on that one knot in the middle of the line you used. ( line can be not longer than 20-30cm) . Pull both A and Z and measure their difference. Lets say A is 2 cm longer than Z. Go back to the leader line you used for anchor and make a second knot 2 cm away from the first ( towards the kite ). Then attach your Z on the second knot you just made towards the kite. Now check A and Z again. They must be equal. Now you can adjust B and C from the mixer. Bring them equal to A and Z. Now the kite is trimmed. All is left now is to trim your bar. Just add a 2 cm pigtail on your back lines. Or on the kite's back lines if you use your bar with another kite and you dont want to mess it up.
This method is very simple trust me. I measure and trim my kite every 6 months and always flys perfect. And all it takes is 10min.
And this above in bold is totally contradicting.

So basically people will tell to add a few cm and other ppl to shorten by few cm.

To me, a few cm is something one does by moving the bar, correct?

Unless one always rides with pulled bar all the way or the bar does not move at all ;)

On that note my Soul mixer was checked by the best FS riders, including the FS dealer. And still flys like a crap every time. Short mixer test is not answer for everything, as I see it. Not even a long one too.

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Re: Flysurfer Soul

Postby Adventure Logs » Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:05 pm

downunder wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:59 pm
Adventure Logs wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:25 am
nothing2seehere wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:24 am
I had a disappointing session on my Soul 10m with a hydrofoil the other day and I think it was basically just that I was overpowered. The wind picked up from 13 knots when I launched to 18-19 whilst I was out there. Being honest I would also have had a difficult time on my Airush ultra 9m but at the time the slow steering speed and lack of confidence to pull downloops through the gybes was frustrating. I probably would have changed to a twin tip if I'd known the wind would pick up but as it was stronger than the forecast I forgot to pack it in the car.

Being fairly green to foil kites, can anyone suggest techniques for a softer slower downloop into a gybe? I'm running 20m lines. Is that just too much for a foil? Should I be pulling a steering line to try and keep the loop higher in the wind window? Keep the bar pinned at full power to prevent the kite whizzing through and generating to much power?
No need to downloop. I would keep tension on the steering lines to the point of almost backstalling. This way the kite will pivot faster and not lose tension. See if your back lines are 2cm shorter, it's how I prefer my Souls, gives a little backstall ability which is greatly beneficial when you hydrofoil.
This above in bold...
Soleas wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:39 pm
Seppalord, it would be a little more complicated leaving the bar attached. Just get a leaderline or a long pigtail or any rope will do and secure it anywhere where you can pull on it with at least 5-10kg of strength. As i said before make a knot on it somwhere in the middle so you can have some line left for one more knot later on. Attach both A and Z on that one knot in the middle of the line you used. ( line can be not longer than 20-30cm) . Pull both A and Z and measure their difference. Lets say A is 2 cm longer than Z. Go back to the leader line you used for anchor and make a second knot 2 cm away from the first ( towards the kite ). Then attach your Z on the second knot you just made towards the kite. Now check A and Z again. They must be equal. Now you can adjust B and C from the mixer. Bring them equal to A and Z. Now the kite is trimmed. All is left now is to trim your bar. Just add a 2 cm pigtail on your back lines. Or on the kite's back lines if you use your bar with another kite and you dont want to mess it up.
This method is very simple trust me. I measure and trim my kite every 6 months and always flys perfect. And all it takes is 10min.
And this above in bold is totally contradicting.

So basically people will tell to add a few cm and other ppl to shorten by few cm.

To me, a few cm is something one does by moving the bar, correct?

Unless one always rides with pulled bar all the way or the bar does not move at all ;)

On that note my Soul mixer was checked by the best FS riders, including the FS dealer. And still flys like a crap every time. Short mixer test is not answer for everything, as I see it. Not even a long one too.
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Please downunder, tell us again where the bad kite touched you :roll: :roll: :roll:

Armin himself has said that the Soul likes up to 2cm shorter steering lines. I have a hunch they put this automatically in the later model Souls(they tend to do small updates time to time). It doesn't mean you HAVE to have this, some don't prefer it. I do; I like backstall already built into my foil, but I'm a little more advanced than you :naughty: Does that help explain your confusion??

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Re: Flysurfer Soul

Postby Soleas » Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:56 pm

Downunder I think you didn't read my post correctly or you didn't understand it? Not sure. The 2 cm I mentioned was just an example. Read carefully I said 'let's say the difference between A and Z is 2 cm'. I meant hypotheticly. Instead of 2 screwdrivers I just use a line with 2 knots. And the distance between the 2 knots is the distance between A and Z. The point is to bring them equal so B and C can be adjusted. Hope this is more clear to understand.

And I think Adventure Logs was saying to make Z 2 cm shorter in general so the kite is a bit oversheeted when turning so the kite can turn tighter and faster with a little less power.

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Re: Flysurfer Soul

Postby rnelias » Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:04 am

It seems a new Soul is coming:


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Re: Flysurfer Soul

Postby Tsachi1 » Mon May 31, 2021 10:51 pm

What do you guys think the wind range will be for sizes 10 / 12 / 15 mtr for a 70 kg rider with a hydrofoil ?

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Re: Flysurfer Soul

Postby rnelias » Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:24 am

Tsachi1 wrote:
Mon May 31, 2021 10:51 pm
What do you guys think the wind range will be for sizes 10 / 12 / 15 mtr for a 70 kg rider with a hydrofoil ?
to give you an idea, I'm 72kg and, with my surf-foil wing (similar to an Onda 633 / 1250cm^2), I can easily foil when there's 7k of steady wind. In fact, I'm usually a little bit over with this wing when wind is about 12k and prefer to use my LEI's Alpha 8m, thus, I'd say that, with this wing, 8 or 10m would get me going without effort as the Soul pulls more than the Alpha. For a smaller/faster wing (<700cm^2), the 12m would probably be suitable for more than 7 knots.

By the way, I'm not an experienced foiler (<1 year foiling) :wink:

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Re: Flysurfer Soul

Postby edt » Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:15 am

I'm 90kg I'll take my 12m soul hydrofoiling from 8 knots up to 15 knots then get on the twintip ride the 12m from 16 knots up to 25 knots then switch to a 10m tube kite at +25 knots. At 70kg I'm not sure you want anything more than a 10m. There's nothing more uncomfortable than being overpowered on a hydrofoil. It's fun being overpowered on a twintip not a hydrofoil. Anyway just my opinion use what you like.

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Re: Flysurfer Soul

Postby edt » Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:39 am

Down winder hope you get your bridle (or maybe the kite itself) fixed. Mine was off by 3 or 4 cm and flying like crap did the short mixer thing and like magic it flies great again. No idea what's wrong with your kite maybe let someone else fly it for 10 or 15 minutes to get a fresh perspective that sometimes helps. It's one thing for a great flysurfer rider to look at it on the beach another thing if they can fly it around with the board under their feet.

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Re: Flysurfer Soul

Postby Janus » Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:41 am

Tsachi1 wrote:
Mon May 31, 2021 10:51 pm
What do you guys think the wind range will be for sizes 10 / 12 / 15 mtr for a 70 kg rider with a hydrofoil ?
Don't think there will be a difference in v1 versus v2.
My experience (v1 but modified) in steady wind, -3m lines, 72kg, 700, 790 and 1200cm2 frontwings (waiting for trying my free race frontwing..)
6m: 12kts
10m: 8kts
12m: 6/7 kts
no experience with a 15m.
The 12m has better float in the air to the 10m.
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