but the stitching and such compared to my LEI seems a bit less durable
Pansh stitch work is a little rougher that say flysurfer, but still fine.
I have Switch kites (9m Element, 14m Nitro) and they are pretty bulletproof...and heavy. Especially the Nitro.
Switch kites are very heavy, one reason I don't like them. The performance of something like the nitro I find horrible compared to high aspect foils.
But maybe foils don't need to be as bulletproof? I do not know.
Foils are very flexible and because of that can be built lighter and still be more bullet proof than LEIs in many ways. The small foils sub 6-8m are prone to exploding internally when hitting the ground/water because of the speeds they can achieve in higher winds. The Pansh magnetic valves seem a good solution to this but no extensive testing I know has confirmed the effectiveness.
F-Bear wrote:Overall, first impression of this kite is very positive.
Yes when I first got a Pansh, there was a lot of negative talk about them and little positive. I was and am still very impressed with the quality given the extreme low cost. I think if a brand like Flysurfer or North sold near this price point they would capture most of the market.
I hope Pansh continues to improve. A really good bar would go a long way. Bars can be much simpler and much much cheaper than even Pansh has them now.
F-Bear wrote:Today's first flight was EXCELLENT.
F-Bear wrote:The wind was literally 3-5 knots.
Once inflated you can actively fly some foils down to 1-2knots standing.
F-Bear wrote:I could not believe how it just hung in the air
Efficiency and weight.
Or how it seems very difficult (maybe impossible?) to get it to "hindenburg"
It is technically possible if wind stops, but rare enough to say never. Foils will collapse and do weird things especially in gusty winds and when tuned for more camber. They are most stable directly overhead. In that position they are most balanced and less likely to do weird stuff. It is the best position to drift them say on waves if you want slack lines to surf free of the kite. You can also position them by over sheeting as deep as you like in the window.
At one point it overflew me at zenith ( I did this on purpose to see what would happen)
Yep I think I have flown one a full line length upwind into the water on a wave before, lol.
F-Bear wrote:No LEI can do that
There is and has been LEIs that can do it. Because LEIs can hindenberg it is not a good thing to overfly which puts them in hindenberg position.
Seems like I can't access the total AoA range of this kite using my normal bar, unless I include the trim system.
A15 needs a lot of bar throw/trim, because of the B bridle position on the kite being so far back. This is not the same for all foils, some have quite short bar throw. My mod to the A15 reduces bar throw a lot.
I think I prefer a bit more bar pressure ! But no big deal.
My mod, wac line, more camber and pulley bar all increase bar pressure. Choose your poison
F-Bear wrote:Not sure how this would work in stronger wind though.
It gets harder the more wind. I use all 4 lines to have more grip. In fact using only the rears will often cause foils to invert fly in reverse. The single line flag works well on the A15. I just pulled by hand the 18m in while flagged but still in the air in 18-20knots. It was a confined landing so no other way.
Ha ha we'll see how these scary bridles treat me next time I get this kite out, that is a HUGE difference to my LEI.
Just be gently never pull hard to make knots, shake them loose, toss and tease at them if stuck together. You can wrap the bar past the mixer up into the bridles. More wrapped on the bar means less to tangle.
In summary, I think the Pansh folk are making a decent kite. For me, the price point allows me try a foil and fly a kite (and hopefully landboard and/or hydrofoil) in low winds. Would love to compare it to a fancy-pants foil, but those don't exist here. We only have like 3 or 4 kiteboarders in the area. Learning about foils is also going to be fun, I like things that fly and foils are very different than LEI.
The Z lines where mega-slack at all times, as others have stated about this kite. Should I shorten them a bit? Or just leave it alone? Not even sure what they are doing....but they must be doing something useful.
Sure shorten them. Shorter is more camber, so more power, less stable, less upwind ( usually). Easy enough to change the length of Z back and forth. I have knots to move it on. Do you need a pic?
When flying a foil..is it possible to get a ton of depower when the kite is moving through the power window? To me, today, it did not seem like I could depower it as much as I could my LEI kites
A15 does not have as high depower as many other foils. Also because of the long throw depower is hard to access. Foils have less depower than many LEIs, but for some reason I and others find Foils have more range. I think it's because of their smoothness.
F-Bear wrote:looked like it will fly with power hanging on just the A
It should fully depower with only tension in A.
This is obviously different than LEI. Depower on the fly is sort of IMPORTANT to me since our winds are gusty.
Foils and Lei are different. You can improve the depower on a foil by using shorter lines.
F-Bear wrote:Is 90% or so even possible for a foil when it is moving?
Not sure. The Pyscho4 has very good depower, but I would say still not LEI. You will need to try other foils,