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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Peter_Frank » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:03 pm

Today I had the chance to get out with the 6m2 for the second time.

Way too much wind the other days, and dark after work many days, but great waveboard sessions with 5 m2 kites, and wingfoiling in waves too.

Looked like this wednesday, there could be sufficiently low wind for it after work, and like the last time no meetings in the late afternoon, but it gets dark just after 1600 hours and no sun, so dark after 1½ hour.

My lowend 78 kg with a low AR 1200 cm2 Ketos foilwing, and 20-21 m lines, was around 9-11 knots where it still worked.

Under 10 it was difficult to get up on foil indeed, here longer lines could help out I am almost sure now (contrary to what I thought earlier).

But this is not the range it will be used in, and once on foil you can ride in just sub 10 knots :thumb:

Carving was still fine, kite turns fast, and one could do full carves up on even the smallest waveface, or just when flat, and back again.

It does not have fully the same acceleration, not fully the same powerspike, not fully the same "lightness" - as the 5 m2.
But it is pretty darn close :rollgrin:

Close to the 5 which is the "golden" size.
But nothing like the 8 which is for down to 8 knots, but 8 is miles away from the 6 and 5 in terms of fun and agility/lightness in your hands and freedom.

For my weight at least, it seems the 6 is the perfect "max" small size for Peak4 kites, one can feel if it gets a bit bigger, you will lose all the fun - so I find this size has just been kept right under the "not as good" size, so a 7 or a 7½ m2 would probably not have been anywhere close to the fun 6 m2.
Í find it like this, lets hear what others say :naughty:

The lowend is tapped just a small step lower than the 5 m2 - great.

And still keeping the easy one handed fly it around everywhere whenever you want, because it is not too big.

I noticed one thing quite evident - it could be I just had a "good day" by luck, but I found jibes and tacks (and failed ones as I am no good at tacking so fail also) even in this tad lower wind, was easier as it had more lift than the 5 m2.

It does everything I could want, size pushed up to the max it can be, before it will lose its "playfullness" as a lively small carving drifting kite :D

Still not a sub 10 knots waveriding full carving kite - as I am pretty sure NO kite can do this.
But it is darn close, sometimes possible.

It is not only a matter of how good the kite is at turning and drifting, it is also a matter of physics, when the wind gets below a certain point, you can not ride DTL anymore, nor can the bigger kite needed turn well :wink:

For me, the 6 is the best size for fun carving and DTL riding in the lowest possible wind.

Bigger is fun just for getting out indeed, so will use my 8 m2 with longer lines often, thats for sure - but then we dont talk "small Peak kites" fun like we know of.

So like before when you would do everything to get out with the 5 if possible even in its low end, instead of a bigger one, it will now be the 6 you aim for here !


A dark day just before sunset, ready to go:

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And having fun out there:

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It was pretty warm today, 7 degree C air and water 8 degrees - nice warm this time of the year, but the sun would have done it even better, crossing my fingers for a sunny day one of the next weekends c",)

Only thing I wish, was it had another color.
I like it, but having three kites same color next to each other sizewise so you can not see which it is from a distance, nor feel you change to a "new" kite when you rig up or down on a given day, is a bummer...

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby jumptheshark » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:41 pm

I know the 8m would be a killer winter kite but your advice has always been solid so will get a 6m instead. I have no designs on foiling in 8 knots, but nicely powered at 10 is super attractive. Hope it has the power to work for most snow days too. I guess I'll have to throw it around a bit. Have always used LEI kites on snow.... After a summer exclusively on Peaks that's no longer a very attractive option.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Strekke » Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:08 pm

Thanks for the review Peter. So if I understand correctly, if you consider the 5m's sweet spot from 12-16 knots for your weight, the 6m would bring that down to 10-14 knots, and maybe even rideable on longer lines in the 8/9 knot range?

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby klohry » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:18 am

How about the Peak4 on snow? What size should I get for my light wind kite? I'm 140 lbs, on skis and very experienced.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Atte » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:21 am

klohry wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:18 am
How about the Peak4 on snow? What size should I get for my light wind kite? I'm 140 lbs, on skis and very experienced.
Light wind ,uphill, deep powder = 13m
Light wind, flat, packed snow, = 8m or 11m
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Peter_Frank » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:59 am

Strekke wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:08 pm
Thanks for the review Peter. So if I understand correctly, if you consider the 5m's sweet spot from 12-16 knots for your weight, the 6m would bring that down to 10-14 knots, and maybe even rideable on longer lines in the 8/9 knot range?

True 10-14 knots instead of 12-16.

Dont know about the 8-9 knots, havent tried longer lines.
Will probably use my 8 on 27 m lines, instead of the 6 though, and as soon as possible if sufficient wind, go with normal lines 21 m on the 6 :D

So I am not the one to answer this question, sorry...

Also, we measure/determine wind strength very differently all over the world, when sub 10 knots, so not a very clear view on this, for many reasons.
Low wind windstrength is something we try to share, but often it makes no sense, and lead to misconceptions instead, so I'd rather not go down that road :roll:

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby tomtom » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:09 pm

if you want to go sub 10 - 1500 cm2 wing instead longer lines give you much more fun.
1500 wings are also really pump-able which add another level of fun - powerless wave to wave.

I now tend riding 1500 wing all the time /moses 790 instead 633/ - Its Peak kite size difference between them in power terms

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby PullStrings » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:18 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:59 am
Also, we measure/determine wind strength very differently all over the world, when sub 10 knots, so not a very clear view on this, for many reasons.
Low wind windstrength is something we try to share, but often it makes no sense, and lead to misconceptions instead, so I'd rather not go down that road
Well said
Totally agree
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby jaros » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:33 pm

tomtom wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:09 pm
if you want to go sub 10 - 1500 cm2 wing instead longer lines give you much more fun.
1500 wings are also really pump-able which add another level of fun - powerless wave to wave.

I now tend riding 1500 wing all the time /moses 790 instead 633/ - Its Peak kite size difference between them in power terms
I feel the same. This year i have only been using 1600 cm2 moses 790 alike wing and Peaks. Compared to 633 wing, no downside for my style of riding, only advantages...

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby jumptheshark » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:51 pm

Atte wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:21 am
klohry wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:18 am
How about the Peak4 on snow? What size should I get for my light wind kite? I'm 140 lbs, on skis and very experienced.
Light wind ,uphill, deep powder = 13m
Light wind, flat, packed snow, = 8m or 11m
Thanks,

Have you ever used the 5m on snow? What kinds of winds? Can't imagine I'll get much use of the 4 &3m in winter! Maybe on skates.


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