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Postby Jyoder » Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:45 am
TritonFoils wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:40 pm
Interesting insights and 100% agree that the 3m Peak4 is a must have for riding the big swell you get with high wind speeds. If you want to take it to the next level with a small Peaks in high wind consider monowings. We’ve had some great results with the radical rethink below of a traditional foil and found no stab + no fuse = a mind blowing ride in big swell. The future of foiling... I
I’m glad you’re having fun and excited about your product, but you have a dedicated thread for it.
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Postby Mikkelza » Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:43 am
jatem wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:31 am
Are you using a peak in that video, you mention you rarely use the 4m kite?
I believe the kite is a Core Section
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Postby geron » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:41 pm
I have to confess that I do have the Tritom foil and have been using it for about a week jaja. It is relevant and interesting for me in this discussion but I hadn't brought it up yet because I am still getting to know it.
I will try to kite with the W1000, the W790 and the Triton wing (and single skins) for a bit (and in different wind strengths) and try to get to the bottom of it jaja...
The only thing that might be missing in this equation is a good enough skill level from the rider jaja
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Postby Peter_Frank » Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:14 pm
geron wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:41 pm
I have to confess that I do have the Tritom foil and have been using it for about a week jaja. It is relevant and interesting for me in this discussion but I hadn't brought it up yet because I am still getting to know it.
I will try to kite with the W1000, the W790 and the Triton wing (and single skins) for a bit (and in different wind strengths) and try to get to the bottom of it jaja...
The only thing that might be missing in this equation is a good enough skill level from the rider jaja
Hmmm, I agree, it is not relevant for this thread at all, and has its own thread.
You can also use a bigger or smaller stab for your foil - but this also goes into the "hydrofoil" section, and not into this foil kite section.
Whereas overall wing size and AR, matters, in regards to Peak kites, yes.
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Postby Oldman_Dave » Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:11 pm
jatem wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:10 pm
High aspect pumping wings work great with the peaks in swell, and allow you to use a smaller sized kite. I have used my Axis 1010 with a 3m peak in up to 40 knots, and over foiling hasn't been an issue. The so called 'surf' foil wings usually have a low-mid aspect with a very thick profile, which simply creates drag, making them very inefficient (ruining your glide when the kite is not powered) and the thickness generates too much lift with higher speeds. I've just moved to an Axis ART 999 which is 10:1 aspect, 1000 cm2, very thin, and it's brilliant with the peaks. The 999 with ultrashort fuse turns well, pumps amazingly, goes fast upwind because it's so efficient and slippery, but can still slow down and ride with the energy of swell when you're heading downwind and the kite is barely powering you. The high aspect wings generate lift more efficiently at low speed, so they extend the low end of the peaks a lot.
Hey Jatem, I appreciated this review - I have moved from 820 to HPS 930 for my light wind / surf wing with peaks. I had a great session yesterday in 8-14kts with p4 6m and 930. I am watching the ART wings with interest - I was thinking the next smaller size would work better, the 899 I guess. Interesting to hear that the 999 isn't too big for you.
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Postby jatem » Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:55 am
The volume of the 999 is only 75% of the hps 930, so it's a very thin wing and seems to have a wide speed range. It glides and pumps through the lulls really nicely, which suits the peaks to a tee. It catches the smallest bumps, but also cranks up plenty of speed when powered up, and feels much more lively and directionally unstable/turny than the 1010. I haven't had any issues keeping it from breaching at 75kg, but haven't yet taken it out on a 25+ knot day. Peaks tend to pull horizontally more than lifting you when powered up, maybe that's why I don't mind strong wind at all with the 3m. It is a very sharp wing though, so I'm wearing booties after a couple of cuts from kicking it.
There's no way I'll be going back to thick and low/mid aspect wings, they're too inefficient, and the ability to glide and pump is fabulous in wind swell. I like my kite foiling in swell to be about the flying on the swell/bump energy, not dragging an inefficient foil with a powerful kite yanking me along.
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Postby joriws » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:29 pm
joriws wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:42 am
Thanks Ice, I run on self-made V-bar with 17m lines, maybe that could be thing to check that if encounter tip folding, swap self-made to FS orig. Y-bar which I use in winter for B-line safety.
I did one moderate wind lake session with fs connect Y-bar and did not notice tip tucking. But I cannot be sure if the problem is gone as cannot be sure about highest winds encountered relative to V-bar winds.
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Postby bitxopalo » Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:14 pm
joriws wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:29 pm
I did one moderate wind lake session with fs connect Y-bar and did not notice tip tucking. But I cannot be sure if the problem is gone as cannot be sure about highest winds encountered relative to V-bar winds.
Interesting, I allways used a 17m low v homemade bar.
Wich are the dimensions of the fs connect Y-bar?? I mean the "V" part length.... I have and old Y bar to modify and test
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Postby Breze » Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:50 pm
the °V" Lines are 14m, Y split at 7 m (original Peak4 Bar)
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Postby Peter_Frank » Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:50 pm
I doubt low V or medium Y makes any difference whatsoever regarding this...
I might be corrected, but till then I dont think it matters
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