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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Flyboy » Sat Aug 20, 2022 3:46 pm

Atte wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:48 am


In your calculation that the 5m is 25% bigger then the 4m and the 6m is 20% bigger then the 5m you are assuming that the sizes are 4.00m² 5.00m² and 6.00m² and most likely they are not exact x.00m².

So what I'm saying is that a kite that is 12.3369m² you call it 12m² and a 13.9856m² you just call 14m² and so on mening a kite that is called 12m² is not exact 12.0000m²
I'm not assuming anything. It's perfectly possible that a 12m may be .3369m2 bigger than 12m. That's pretty normal in kite sizing. It's a bit different when you get down to small sizes like 6m, 5m, 4m and 3m used for foiling, .3369m2 makes a much bigger difference.

1m increments in the Peak sizes does offer a full range of choices ... except if that leaves you with a choice between a 2m gap - too big - or a 1m gap - too small. This is why BRM offers more nuanced size increments. The only really weird sizing in Peaks is the on the new Peak5 range where it goes 6, 5, 4, 2.5. I avoided getting a 2.5m Peak5 because the jump from 4m to 2.5m seems way too big. So I'm happy to have found a Peak4 3m. Perhaps someone who has had both the 3m Peak4 and the 2.5m Peak5 can comment?

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Trent hink » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:30 pm

I have the peak 4 in sizes 3-11.

I'm about 83 kg and using a Moses 633 on a 72 cm strut.

After getting the 6 meter, I find I never use the 8 meter, and I rarely use the 5 meter.

My experience might be useless, now that the peak 5 is out, but maybe it gives more insight into what sizes work best for hydrofoiling.

Everyone used to say that the 5 meter was the magic kite with the best range, but I think that the latecomer, the 6, is the best for a guy around my weight.

Yesterday I had the 11 still in easy control, but overpowered and going slower than I like with the kite flapping a bit more than I like, but when I switched to the 6, it was perfect.

This was on pretty-much flat water, but in my experience, the 8 and 11 are pretty much useless for a good drifting experience, whereas the 6 drifts pretty well and can still turn fast.

Sorry, I have no idea if this translates similarly for the peak5s.

But I do think there is a pretty big overlap between the 3 and 4 meter Peak 4, so maybe the 2.5 makes sense... especially if they fudged the actual numbers a little bit...

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Flyboy » Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:42 am

Trent hink wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:30 pm
I have the peak 4 in sizes 3-11.

I'm about 83 kg and using a Moses 633 on a 72 cm strut.

After getting the 6 meter, I find I never use the 8 meter, and I rarely use the 5 meter.

My experience might be useless, now that the peak 5 is out, but maybe it gives more insight into what sizes work best for hydrofoiling.

Everyone used to say that the 5 meter was the magic kite with the best range, but I think that the latecomer, the 6, is the best for a guy around my weight.

Yesterday I had the 11 still in easy control, but overpowered and going slower than I like with the kite flapping a bit more than I like, but when I switched to the 6, it was perfect.

This was on pretty-much flat water, but in my experience, the 8 and 11 are pretty much useless for a good drifting experience, whereas the 6 drifts pretty well and can still turn fast.

Sorry, I have no idea if this translates similarly for the peak5s.

But I do think there is a pretty big overlap between the 3 and 4 meter Peak 4, so maybe the 2.5 makes sense... especially if they fudged the actual numbers a little bit...
I'm about the same weight you (and also favour the creepy old man style) :cool2: . I started with the 6m & the 4m and only later added the 5m. Not quite enough overlap between the 6m and the 4m - workable, but not ideal. I ended up with some sessions where I went with the 4m, because it was so much more lively than the 6m, but didn't have the power to make it work optimally. When I got the 5m I initially found it too close to the 6m in performance, but gradually it became my go-to kite for moderate wind (12 kts to 16 kts). I still use the 6m when it's in the 10 - 12 kt range, but ideally that 6m should be more like 6.5 - 7m to complement the 5m IMO. That little bit more power would help in the light days without having to go up to something as unwieldy as the 8m.

In any case, now that I've managed to get my hands on a 3m, I'm not fussed about the 2.5m Peak 5 and am good to go from 10 kts to the high 20's.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby nayy » Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:43 am

HI all,

I've the peak4 5 m² for more than 1 season now and really like it... I use it from 13 to 16-17 kn i'm 86 kg.

I've added a 3m² but only used it 2 times this season. (1 session had to change to the 5 because not enough power)
Need 20 kn to use the 3, tried it with 17kn and was not enough...

So it seems the gap from 3 to 5 is too big... So, do I ad a 4 ?

Nayy

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby bitxopalo » Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:40 pm

I am 65kg. also have P4, 5m used a lot & 3m used a dozen sessions.
I prefer not to go to the lake with many kites, unless is true that the 4 helps to go in the sweet spot, i dont have the 4m

At first with the 3m, I need a lot of wind around 18knt to go.... but after building a narrower bar (40cm-19m) and getting used to it I can go now in less than15knot... Very fine kite, but quite sensitive to bar input so practice is the key, specially to waterstart in lightwind. But doable :thumb:

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby drsurf » Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:39 pm

nayy wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:43 am
HI all,

I've the peak4 5 m² for more than 1 season now and really like it... I use it from 13 to 16-17 kn i'm 86 kg.

I've added a 3m² but only used it 2 times this season. (1 session had to change to the 5 because not enough power)
Need 20 kn to use the 3, tried it with 17kn and was not enough...

So it seems the gap from 3 to 5 is too big... So, do I ad a 4 ?

Nayy
4m Peak is great. Get one, you won't regret it and you'll use it more than you think instead of the 5m.
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Peter_Frank » Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:46 pm

Agree, get a 4 and a 6 m2 (doesnt matter if Peak4 or 5) and you are settled with an awesome combo :thumb:

A 5 also is a luxury (I like) but not needed, the 4 has a huge windrange, incredible.

If you ride in windy conditions, you need a 3 or 2½ as flying the 4 overpowered is possible but IMO not good.

As then you will wear the 4 faster because of flapping, and you will also use it a lot in less wind because it has the biggest windrange of ANY Peak kite :rollgrin:

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby nayy » Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:19 pm

bitxopalo wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:40 pm
I am 65kg. also have P4, 5m used a lot & 3m used a dozen sessions.
I prefer not to go to the lake with many kites, unless is true that the 4 helps to go in the sweet spot, i dont have the 4m

At first with the 3m, I need a lot of wind around 18knt to go.... but after building a narrower bar (40cm-19m) and getting used to it I can go now in less than15knot... Very fine kite, but quite sensitive to bar input so practice is the key, specially to waterstart in lightwind. But doable :thumb:

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thx for input... but I'm 20 kg heavier... that's a lot. (but working on the 20 kg ;-))
In SLE therms 20 kg = 4m² more that I need compared to you weight...

I felt it was very sensitive to bar input an backstalling... still have to adapt...

Nayy

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby nayy » Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:25 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:46 pm
Agree, get a 4 and a 6 m2 (doesnt matter if Peak4 or 5) and you are settled with an awesome combo :thumb:

A 5 also is a luxury (I like) but not needed, the 4 has a huge windrange, incredible.

If you ride in windy conditions, you need a 3 or 2½ as flying the 4 overpowered is possible but IMO not good.

As then you will wear the 4 faster because of flapping, and you will also use it a lot in less wind because it has the biggest windrange of ANY Peak kite :rollgrin:

8) Peter
for lowwind I still have my hyperlink 12m² from 7-12kn... then I swap to peak4 5m² ...

If I had to rebuy it would probably be a bigger peak...

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Peter_Frank » Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:11 pm

nayy wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:19 pm
bitxopalo wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:40 pm
I am 65kg. also have P4, 5m used a lot & 3m used a dozen sessions.
I prefer not to go to the lake with many kites, unless is true that the 4 helps to go in the sweet spot, i dont have the 4m

At first with the 3m, I need a lot of wind around 18knt to go.... but after building a narrower bar (40cm-19m) and getting used to it I can go now in less than15knot... Very fine kite, but quite sensitive to bar input so practice is the key, specially to waterstart in lightwind. But doable :thumb:

.
thx for input... but I'm 20 kg heavier... that's a lot. (but working on the 20 kg ;-))
In SLE therms 20 kg = 4m² more that I need compared to you weight...

I felt it was very sensitive to bar input an backstalling... still have to adapt...

Nayy

Confused now, as from another thread (or is Nayy and Navy two different riders? Thought it was just a typo):
Foxi wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:45 am
Snip...

Navy with his 67kgs isn´t representative for 8m riders around the area I live. I´m sure he needs the smaller front wing as with bigger ones he would feel overpowered as soon the got on foil whatever wind speeds.
It would be interesting to see if he had efficiency losses at all with a combo ltd to 7m CWC. Navy, did you try before you bought the 8m or was it an all in decision ? :bye:

Anyways, small Peaks are really sensitive, that is the beauty of these - but you need some or a lot of time to adapt.

Going in 5 m2 and bigger, easy though.

But remember, above 6 m2 you lose the magic, no matter how heavy you are :rollgrin:

If you are 85 kg, close to average weight, dont go bigger than 6 unless you want the "easyness" (i like with the 8 m2), and you have the Hyperlink, perfect.

8) Peter


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