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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Avo » Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:17 am

Yes it happened to me recently in overpowered conditions where the Peak4 5m lost its shape until it totally collapsed. This never happened to me with Peak3 4m and 12m when overpowered.
I have not tested my Peak5 8m overpowered yet.
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Peter_Frank » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:32 am

alekbelia wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:17 am
Johnnyrotten204 wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:33 pm
Have you noticed better behavior when overpowered from the peak 5 over the 4 or similar? I've never noticed the same issues on my 5's, but I'm generally on the right size for the conditions...
I never got to the point of losing shape on either the Peak4 or the Peak5. The Peak5 is remarkably stable, but seems a touch slower.

I feel just opposite.

I have had the 6 m2 in both Peak 4 and 5 (and the 8m2)

Peak5 seems to be a bit more performing, going even better upwind but also better upper and lower end.
Peak4 is more stable and drifts better.

Like you I have never had any of my 8 Peaks out where they lost shape so can not answer about overpowered, as I only ride them to powered where it can be easier to make donuts and transitions, but crap to ride waves or carve, so prefer the lower sweet spot.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby IWantToFly » Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:01 pm

Johnnyrotten204 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:58 pm
Out of curiosity- have you guys noticed that there's less deformation with Peak 5 or hybrid in overpowered conditions?
I still only have about 10 hours on my 3.5m hybrid, but it is easily the most stable of the Flysurfers I’ve used (4m Peak4, 5m Peak5, 8m Peak4, 6m and 12m Soul v1). The trailing edge will flutter if you don’t sheet in when powered, but so far I’ve been able to control it almost all the time. I’ve ridden it in winds from almost falling out of the sky, to high 20s gusting into the 30s. Most of my kiting is in the Columbia River Gorge in rather gusty conditions.

It has the most range of any kite I’ve used and it just doesn’t do anything weird. No folding wing tips or unexpected behavior where I think I might wrap a bridle on the tip, both of which I’ve had on the 4m Peak4. For example, I’ve had my 4m Peak4 in gusty conditions where it snaps in a gust and then kind of folds and twists, then turns down at the water in the following lull and falls to the water or nearly so. Nothing like that at all with the hybrid. In very over-powered conditions it rides like a twin skin foil kite and you can just pull back and crank upwind like a racer. It is very versatile and fun.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby drsurf » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:07 pm

IWantToFly wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:01 pm
Johnnyrotten204 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:58 pm
Out of curiosity- have you guys noticed that there's less deformation with Peak 5 or hybrid in overpowered conditions?
I still only have about 10 hours on my 3.5m hybrid, but it is easily the most stable of the Flysurfers I’ve used (4m Peak4, 5m Peak5, 8m Peak4, 6m and 12m Soul v1). The trailing edge will flutter if you don’t sheet in when powered, but so far I’ve been able to control it almost all the time. I’ve ridden it in winds from almost falling out of the sky, to high 20s gusting into the 30s. Most of my kiting is in the Columbia River Gorge in rather gusty conditions.

It has the most range of any kite I’ve used and it just doesn’t do anything weird. No folding wing tips or unexpected behavior where I think I might wrap a bridle on the tip, both of which I’ve had on the 4m Peak4. For example, I’ve had my 4m Peak4 in gusty conditions where it snaps in a gust and then kind of folds and twists, then turns down at the water in the following lull and falls to the water or nearly so. Nothing like that at all with the hybrid. In very over-powered conditions it rides like a twin skin foil kite and you can just pull back and crank upwind like a racer. It is very versatile and fun.
^ What he said :)
The Hybrid 3.5m is my most used kite and it seems to have improved its wind range the more I use it. Either I'm getting better or Flysurfer has designed the kite to make its best shape after the bridles settle in.
Second most used kite is the Hybrid 2.5m :D

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby alekbelia » Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:31 pm

Hybrid is like a soft pillow. You can sleep on it. :D
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Slappysan » Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:23 pm

drsurf wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:07 pm
IWantToFly wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:01 pm
I still only have about 10 hours on my 3.5m hybridersatile and fun.
The Hybrid 3.5m is my most used kite and it seems to have improved its wind range the more I use it.
What are your guys' low ends for the 3.5m?

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby IWantToFly » Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:47 pm

Slappysan wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:23 pm
drsurf wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:07 pm
IWantToFly wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:01 pm
I still only have about 10 hours on my 3.5m hybridersatile and fun.
The Hybrid 3.5m is my most used kite and it seems to have improved its wind range the more I use it.
What are your guys' low ends for the 3.5m?
My best guess is 12kts at 80kg on an 1100cm² foil (edit to add: 17m lines). What I have found is that because the loops generate less power than the Peak 4/5, you don’t have quite the same low end where you can get up with multiple loops and then ride almost entirely on apparent wind. If you really need multiple loops to get up with the hybrid, you might not have enough wind to comfortably ride.
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby drsurf » Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:57 pm

Slappysan wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:23 pm
drsurf wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:07 pm
IWantToFly wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:01 pm
I still only have about 10 hours on my 3.5m hybridersatile and fun.
The Hybrid 3.5m is my most used kite and it seems to have improved its wind range the more I use it.
What are your guys' low ends for the 3.5m?
If the wind measures 10 knots on the shore I'm good with my 66kg on the 3.5m Hybrid :D
I'm using a SABFoil 800 High Aspect wing which is 840 sq cm.

Once I'm up foiling I can fly through lulls quite easily and the kite is easy to sine for a bit more power. I use the Flysurfer Connect Bar with 21m lines on all my Hybrid and Peak kites and find it works fine for me with just the right sized power stroke.
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Johnnyrotten204 » Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:52 pm

Thanks for the good conversation guys. I took out the 4m again in overpowered conditions to see what I could learn. I corrected the mixer to even everything up, double checked the line lengths then took it out in 20g25 kts.

I spent a fair amount of time watching the kite behavior- what I saw was if given too much 'throw' on the bar, the kite has too much slack on the back lines and essentially goes flat on one side, losing lift on one side of the kite (causing the turning movement towards the ground and pull in the turn, like an airplane stall). Interestingly I couldn't replicate this on the other side, probably some minor rigging differences. Anyways, problem seems to be solved by tweaking the stopper position, so that the kite only flaps and doesn't do anything funky.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby alekbelia » Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:01 am

Johnnyrotten204 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:52 pm
Thanks for the good conversation guys. I took out the 4m again in overpowered conditions to see what I could learn. I corrected the mixer to even everything up, double checked the line lengths then took it out in 20g25 kts...
How long has the kite been used so far?


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