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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Johnnyrotten204 » Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:13 am

alekbelia wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:01 am
Johnnyrotten204 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:52 pm
Thanks for the good conversation guys. I took out the 4m again in overpowered conditions to see what I could learn. I corrected the mixer to even everything up, double checked the line lengths then took it out in 20g25 kts...
How long has the kite been used so far?
3 yrs, pretty frequently (5m most often in my set).

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby alekbelia » Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:42 am

Johnnyrotten204 wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:13 am
3 yrs, pretty frequently (5m most often in my set).
Have you reviewed the condition of the plastic rods? With single skin kites, their condition is extremely important.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby merl » Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:18 pm

alekbelia wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:42 am
Johnnyrotten204 wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:13 am
3 yrs, pretty frequently (5m most often in my set).
Have you reviewed the condition of the plastic rods? With single skin kites, their condition is extremely important.
Interesting comment. Can you explain more? I have several different single skin/hybrids, and I have experimented with added extra full-length nylon rods. In another I have replaced some of the poor quality bendy nylon filaments with nitiol wire (always goes back to 100% straight). My experience is that this makes very little difference to how they fly.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby alekbelia » Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:26 pm

merl wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:18 pm
Interesting comment. Can you explain more?
My experience starts with Peak3 without any instabilities. After that with Peak4 and the Peak5, I didn't have any problems with stability too.
However, I now hydrofoil and snowkite with Windmaster Click kites, the first two of which were magnificent. Super stable and agile.
The following year I ordered 2.5, 4, 5, 6 and 9 sq.m., which, however, started to fold tips and some of them to flatten the leading edge.
After replacing the too thin rods, most kites improved stability significantly and only 2 sizes needed a bridle adjustment.
To replace the original rods, I used rods from grass trimmers with the largest possible diameter. For the various kites with a diameter of 2.3 to 2.7 mm.
I straightened them with a hot air gun and a modified attachment to it for radial distribution of hot air. Then I put them in the channels as tightly and lengthwise as possible. Now the kites fly extremely well.
I fold the kites into a roll, but angle the sections so that the rods do not bend. I use the kites very often and so far the results are excellent.
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby alekbelia » Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:40 pm

merl wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:18 pm
Interesting comment. Can you explain more? I have several different single skin/hybrids, and I have experimented with added extra full-length nylon rods. In another I have replaced some of the poor quality bendy nylon filaments with nitiol wire (always goes back to 100% straight). My experience is that this makes very little difference to how they fly.
If your kites have been flying smoothly, then modifying the rods would not change the flight significantly.
Nitinol is the best option, but one of the great advantages of singleskin kites is their low cost.
To be honest I'm already a crazy fan of singleskin kites both winter and summer.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Johnnyrotten204 » Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:02 pm

alekbelia wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:26 pm
merl wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:18 pm
Interesting comment. Can you explain more?
My experience starts with Peak3 without any instabilities. After that with Peak4 and the Peak5, I didn't have any problems with stability too.
However, I now hydrofoil and snowkite with Windmaster Click kites, the first two of which were magnificent. Super stable and agile.
The following year I ordered 2.5, 4, 5, 6 and 9 sq.m., which, however, started to fold tips and some of them to flatten the leading edge.
After replacing the too thin rods, most kites improved stability significantly and only 2 sizes needed a bridle adjustment.
To replace the original rods, I used rods from grass trimmers with the largest possible diameter. For the various kites with a diameter of 2.3 to 2.7 mm.
I straightened them with a hot air gun and a modified attachment to it for radial distribution of hot air. Then I put them in the channels as tightly and lengthwise as possible. Now the kites fly extremely well.
I fold the kites into a roll, but angle the sections so that the rods do not bend. I use the kites very often and so far the results are excellent.

Interesting! No deformation noted in the plastic, but I'll double check how it flies next time. From what I remember, it more seemed like the trailing portion that collapsed (not the LE).

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby djdojo » Sat Nov 04, 2023 1:29 am

For terminology's sake, the trailing edge doesn't collapse, it just luffs, and if it's doing this for more than a small fraction of your session, you're on too big a kite. I have at least a thousand hours on Peak 4s and they are either incredibly resistant to or unaffected by bridle shrinkage/stretch.
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