Your comments are almost always spot on. I bought P4 partially based on your positive comments and I am grateful for it. Can you elaborate on wing loading and why these kites work so well?tomtom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:12 amOwning P4 3,4,5 - snowkiting and hydrofoiling
Here is my thoughts
Sizes are perfectly as they are - with no redundant sizes - you dont need to count they are designed just perfect. I think that 8 is biggest size you want to use. 11 is dog - the whole concept work so well because of high wing loading /this gives kite rigidity/ and 11 in low wind work unproportionally worse /to size/ than smaller sizes. So smaller sizes are Lei fast and bigger sizes are about 1/2 of LEI turning speed.
Peaks 4 have big absolute range, but quite small sweet spot - and basically you want to ride them till they start flapping - which is sign you should ride next smaller size.
This is valid for HF - on skis and snowboards the sweet spot is wider because you can compensate for added power with edging more and riding them still flappingless.
I never use 3m on snowkiting - weighting 86 kg and snowboard - i dont want to be in wind where it work in winter. It will be in 30+ knts winds and i dont enjoy these kind of winds in winter as they are gusty and unpleasant /very cold/ in mountains.
I use 3m on HF a LOT from 18 knts and absolutely love it.
hope it helps.
Yeah, I just wanted to figure whether I should aim for the 3m or 4m to extend my quiver of 5 + 8 + 11. And if the sizes were 3-4-5 would make that choice a little more difficult than the more even range of 3-4-5,5. So as it seems from the table of sizes, it is more even than model numbers rounded down makes it seem.
I dont know, its just my theory because i cannot wrap me head about fact why smaller peaks are LEI fast while 11 is dog. Its similar with closer cells smaller sizes are somewhat ok while bigger sizes are trucks. With closer cell there is clear explanation with momentum of trapped air inside of kite /can be several KG on bigger sizes/ But peak has no trapped air, or at least no more than LEI. So i think bigger size just doesnt have enough rigidity to act against in turns. Because rigidity of peaks is purely from wing load. /kg to m2/ Smaller size are proportionaly more loaded so much stiffer. You can clearly see it - 3 and 4 are almost solid in air while 5 is more "soft"
khaakon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:40 pmI should also mention that I've had the Peak 12m (both v2 and v3) for a few years now all together, and it has many-a-times given me the opportunity to ride well in low or even marginal winds. Windstruck Steve @powerkiteforum called it "the session saver", and I quite agree - It has worked very well for my needs on land, both buggy and skis, too often being out on low-wind-days ...
The kite I loved the most so far, has been the P2 9m - one kite quiver, huge range, very civilized except for the fluttering noise and some quirks which I learned to negotiate.
thanks for info!khaakon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:04 pmOh, and not everybody would know, so here it is - there's a higher aspect singleskin from Born Kites, more racey I guess;
http://www.born-kite.de/?cat=c102_Race- ... lus--.html
Thread about it on PKF;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 0FZWcrpyu4
This kite is not meant for kitesurfing at all, I am sorry I don't mean to hijack the thread, just that not many ppl know about Steffen Born and his ingenious strives in singleskin kitedesign.
You are soo right, TomTom. I very much agree on your theories there, and the characteristics on the larger sizes, if not on the usability of the kite, still. Yes, i've had many a hard day with the unstable canopy of the Peaks, but you'll learn to whip them back into shape quickly with experience, and to avoid it in the first place. I've had many of them in my possession (v1 6m /v2 4-6-9-12m /v3 9-12m), but haven't flown my new v4's yet, sad story.
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