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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby tomtom » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:38 pm

Hi Slow,

How are you with delta 1500 after while? Its still intrique me very much and very little info about...

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby slowboat » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:16 am

tomtom wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:38 pm
Hi Slow,

How are you with delta 1500 after while? Its still intrique me very much and very little info about...
Love the Delta 1500 stabless. 5 sessions now and feeling comfortable in mostly flat water. Heading for small waves next. Regular foil feels draggy and my hope is to only use my regular foil on big wave days. I believe this is the future direction of free ride foiling.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby jakemoore » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:04 am

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Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:06 pm
Dropped off foil and then decided to try to try and drag the rest of the way past the break. That was a mistake. The current must have been strong because when I was almost out I could barely feel the kite. I had it dragging me out about half way down in the window when a set came and cleaned me up. Ended up dumping the kite into the next wave and that was it. Quickly swam to the kite after my intial shock (I have never dropped my peak before after a ton of sessions). Rolled up the kite the best I could and dragged it in the 100 yards to the beach.

...still love my peak!
I find body dragging through white water one of the biggest risks. The wave will grab the lower steering line and pull the kite to the water. As long as close to shore the swim is no big deal. And I have swam in with all kinds of kite.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby tomtom » Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:42 am

slowboat wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:16 am
tomtom wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:38 pm
Hi Slow,

How are you with delta 1500 after while? Its still intrique me very much and very little info about...
Love the Delta 1500 stabless. 5 sessions now and feeling comfortable in mostly flat water. Heading for small waves next. Regular foil feels draggy and my hope is to only use my regular foil on big wave days. I believe this is the future direction of free ride foiling.
Many thanks for info! Please keep us posted you are only known 1500 rider to me :)

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby merl » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:59 am

From flysurfer's web site:
size 3 projected 2.4
size 4 projected 3.2
size 5 projected 4.4
size 8 projected 6.8

From earlier discussions, the estimate is that the 5m peak has similar power to an 8m LEI (in its hydrofoil range). Seems about right to me.

Based on this, one can estimate the corresponding LEI sizes for the other peaks (multiplying projected area by 8/4.4)

size 3 = LEI 4.4
size 4 = LEI 5.8
size 5 = LEI 8.0
size 8 = LEI 12.4

Does that seem right?
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby tomtom » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:24 pm

Yes. My last Leis were North Neos 2018 - 7 and 9

Peak 4 was tad less powerfull than Neo 7 - and Peak 5 was tad less powerfull than Neo 9.
Keep in mind that Neo was very powerfull kite in LEI sizes - marketed as "use size smaller"

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby tomtom » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:31 pm

From these number are also obvious why you cannot comfortable skip number /4/. LEI 8 - to LEI 4.4 isnt comfortable step either.
You can skip 4 if you are able to squeeze low end from 3 - with big wing - and very aggressive flying 3m. Pushing 5m to high end - is much less an option. So it is possible to skip 4 but sometimes its just for 4 and Peaks are light and small to carry - superfast to rig and cheap - so i see no reason to do so.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby slowboat » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:21 pm

merl wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:59 am
From flysurfer's web site:
size 3 projected 2.4
size 4 projected 3.2
size 5 projected 4.4
size 8 projected 6.8

From earlier discussions, the estimate is that the 5m peak has similar power to an 8m LEI (in its hydrofoil range). Seems about right to me.

Based on this, one can estimate the corresponding LEI sizes for the other peaks (multiplying projected area by 8/4.4)

size 3 = LEI 4.4
size 4 = LEI 5.8
size 5 = LEI 8.0
size 8 = LEI 12.4

Does that seem right?
If this is correct, it is clear that the Peak 4 in 3 meter is just not small enough for foiling in waves. Once winds get over 22-24 knots (depending on rider size), the 3 meter is pulling you down the waves.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby foilholio » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:10 pm

It is also clear flysurfer is not being exact about the actual sizes.

If you take the PA ratio of the 11 and adjust the sizes you get

2.87, 3.83, 5.26, 8.13, 11, 12.91


Using the 8s PA ratio

2.82, 3.76, 5.18, 8, 10.82, 12.7

or the 3 and 4s PA ratio, which seems most likely

3, 4, 5.5, 8.5, 11.5, 13.5

If I was to bet I would say they are the actual sizes. Seems like a 2.5 is needed. Would probably be better to resize them all with the next model. Maybe 2.5, 3.5, 5, 8, 12?

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby tomtom » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:04 pm

Foilholio - given you experience and low probabilty of FS making smaller than 3m peak. How hard will be making smaller than 3m kite from 3 :) Like cut it to 3 piece and sew it together smaller. AR will be lower of course. Or its easier just buy quite much more expensive concept air?

Also i dont care about actual size as long as spaces are perfect - and they are perfect. What ever sizes your are pick - next one up or down is perfect quiver compliment without excessive overlap - but just right.


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