If I lengthen the rear lines, the trim will be fine at the bar but the steering lines will still be too long. It's definitely something in the mixer.foilholio wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 4:07 pmLines being even or uneven is irrelevant. If you have hit the end of your trim range on the bar then you need to adjust things further with the lines. You need to shorten the fronts or lengthen the rears.
It does sound like there is something wrong with the kite though. The fact it is stalling and you can't turn it does not sound right. It probably is something wrong at the mixer, but could likely be other bridles... Mixer for me would be easy to fix just looking at it. If you can video it in action with it close enough for to see the bridles tensioning on and off I can give you advice. Otherwise start a paypal dispute and get a refund!
The problem at a guess is B is way too short and maybe C. But alternately it could be Z and maybe C is too long. First you would have to get the lines adjusted so you can correctly or fully trim the kite. If you can't get enough slack in B to depower it well or fly forward or have it completely slack at the window edge, then you may need to further adjust lines or lengthen B. From there then you adjust Z and C.
The build quality of the kite itself is really nice, I was quite surprised. Just wish Pansh would get the mixer quality on par.kitexpert wrote: norcom: Apparently some Genesis kites have for some reason very loose brakes (or at least that one had which I tuned). That makes kite turn very slowly, almost non reacting to steering input. So first correction is to shorten Z some 10-20cm and try again.
Kite itself is ok after it is tuned up and the price is unbeatable. Those smallest ones are probably the most useful because slowness can't be such an issue for them. It is not a high performance kite but it isn't meant to be. It is soft and stable kite, for boosting it is simply bad.
If front lines/back lines seems not to be correct to each other adjustments should be made to the kite, not flying lines which should always be equal.
They can't be "too" long if the trim is "right". I am guessing you are saying they are too long because you then can't sheet in enough to turn the kite, which indicates that C and Z are too long or alternately maybe B is too short.norcom wrote: If I lengthen the rear lines, the trim will be fine at the bar but the steering lines will still be too long.
Hopefully in which case it would be easy for me to fix and I should be able to direct you to too.norcom wrote:It's definitely something in the mixer.
Picture of the mixer would be good. Also measurements from the mixer test so B and C values + or - with AZ even under tension, and the B limit which is how far B extends past A with just front main/line fixed. Also pulley line lengths.norcom wrote:I'll try to get a video or pics of it in action.
I thought you have other Panshs? They build them all very similarly.norcom wrote: The build quality of the kite itself is really nice, I was quite surprised.
Maybe but not usually. The mixer (usually when correct) engages parts of the kite in stages first B then C then Z. You will usually have a working range of where just B is engaged then B+C then B+C+Z. It is possible to have it setup so only Z engages or B or C or B+Z or C+Z. For most kites they would not be a correct setup. Though for example my A15 I have removed most of C and changed some of B to C. It is quite easy for the experienced eye to see when and how a mixer is working. You can see the tension and the canopy being pulled. To me when looking at your kite I would guess you would see B under tension a lot but not C or Z and highly likely Z is slack a lot as kitexpert says.norcom wrote: If I shorten the Z, wouldn't that just make the kite backstall even more as pulling the trim all the way in (making back lines longer) is the only way to get it to zenith? I'm picturing a shorter Z would just put it deeper down in the window?
Good. Ask questions! Don't lack an understanding!norcom wrote: I'm not afraid to play with the mixer and I'm capable of making my own lines. It's just the time and understanding what to change.
Yes, I meant too long as I can't sheet in enough to turn the kite. I can turn it but it takes a lot of pull on the bar.
Working on trying it again and getting pix. Have to replace the AC in the house this week.foilholio wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 9:59 pmPicture of the mixer would be good. Also measurements from the mixer test so B and C values + or - with AZ even under tension, and the B limit which is how far B extends past A with just front main/line fixed. Also pulley line lengths.
Honestly from your first description it almost sounds like the mixer is on backwards. I guess for $89 dollars a number of things could happen with parts not installed correctly. I have read of the wrong size bridle being installed on Pansh before.
Already contacted Pansh for the line plans, hopefully they respond and if not I'll have PayPal poke them. I'm not on facebook to see if anyone else has one. I really want to get it flying though. I was taught on a 2 line kite and I've seen people who were learning start with them. After a few minutes they're mostly useless because they don't really teach you how to fly a 4 line kite.foilholio wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 9:59 pmDon't give up hope contacting them. Start a Paypal dispute to get their attention. They have line plans and can very easily give them to you. With a line plan you can just measure and find whats wrong more straight forward. Alternately tell em to send another kite or give your money back as it really is not good they do this.
I thought you have other Panshs? They build them all very similarly.
Lucky you Tomlutz!Tomlutz wrote:
Yeah, I don't believe that I was even a dick about it on the first message I sent. I just explained what was happening and asked for the plans to verify everything. Then only mentioned PayPal in my second message because I didn't get a reply. Next day reply as soon as I mentioned it.
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