It is highly possible they may have assembled the mixer wrong. I would guess a mixer test should show something drastically out. You could try getting someone else with the 2019 Genesis give you the mixer test and B limit measurements. The pansh facebook page has people with the kite or you could comment on the 4m youtube vid.
If I lengthen the rear lines, the trim will be fine at the bar but the steering lines will still be too long.
They can't be "too" long if the trim is "right". I am guessing you are saying they are too long because you then can't sheet in enough to turn the kite, which indicates that C and Z are too long or alternately maybe B is too short.
norcom wrote:It's definitely something in the mixer.
Hopefully in which case it would be easy for me to fix and I should be able to direct you to too.
norcom wrote:I'll try to get a video or pics of it in action.
Picture of the mixer would be good. Also measurements from the mixer test so B and C values + or - with AZ even under tension, and the B limit which is how far B extends past A with just front main/line fixed. Also pulley line lengths.
Honestly from your first description it almost sounds like the mixer is on backwards. I guess for $89 dollars a number of things could happen with parts not installed correctly. I have read of the wrong size bridle being installed on Pansh before.
Don't give up hope contacting them. Start a Paypal dispute to get their attention. They have line plans and can very easily give them to you. With a line plan you can just measure and find whats wrong more straight forward. Alternately tell em to send another kite or give your money back as it really is not good they do this.
The build quality of the kite itself is really nice, I was quite surprised.
I thought you have other Panshs? They build them all very similarly.
If I shorten the Z, wouldn't that just make the kite backstall even more as pulling the trim all the way in (making back lines longer) is the only way to get it to zenith? I'm picturing a shorter Z would just put it deeper down in the window?
Maybe but not usually. The mixer (usually when correct) engages parts of the kite in stages first B then C then Z. You will usually have a working range of where just B is engaged then B+C then B+C+Z. It is possible to have it setup so only Z engages or B or C or B+Z or C+Z. For most kites they would not be a correct setup. Though for example my A15 I have removed most of C and changed some of B to C. It is quite easy for the experienced eye to see when and how a mixer is working. You can see the tension and the canopy being pulled. To me when looking at your kite I would guess you would see B under tension a lot but not C or Z and highly likely Z is slack a lot as kitexpert says.
For Z to permanently engage and cause backstall or limit AOA (deeper) you would have to shorten it heaps like 50cm or more, maybe even a meter. The kite should become highly unstable because of camber increase long before any backstall.
I'm not afraid to play with the mixer and I'm capable of making my own lines. It's just the time and understanding what to change.
Good. Ask questions! Don't lack an understanding!