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Re: Market for Hydrofoil Wave Foil kites < 4 sqm

Postby Kamikuza » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:42 am

Horst Sergio wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:03 pm
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Oh nice. I've been thinking while riding lately, wondering where all the unhooked surfers went to and if it'd be a good idea on a foil...

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Re: Market for Hydrofoil Wave Foil kites < 4 sqm

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Re: Market for Hydrofoil Wave Foil kites < 4 sqm

Postby drsurf » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:25 pm

For those who have suggested LEI kites and for others who have not flown the Peak4 3m, I would suggest flying the Peak4 3m with a surf hydrofoil. I think this is close to the baseline that Horst is referring to. The power characteristics and the amazing drift of this kite is in no small part due to the 620 gram weight of the kite. But it does have a sweet spot and when the wind exceeds that range the kite isn't as much fun as an even smaller size would be.
Try the Peak4 3m in sufficient wind with a surf foil catching swell or wind chop downwind and you'll understand what this thread is about. It's more fun than you can imagine :-)
(Was out today on 3m Peak4 surfing wind chop downwind, sweeet!)

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Re: Market for Hydrofoil Wave Foil kites < 4 sqm

Postby Horst Sergio » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:58 pm

@drsurf:
Thanks and yes this is exactly my point. I am not talking about to somehow survive 40 knts on a hydrofoil, I know that I can do it this with allmost any 5-strut LEI, trainer kites and what ever smaller 5 m².

I am talking about a realy well balanced kite with still good upwind, but maximum drift and reactivity which as I know just a well build single skin as the Peak4 and close to it the Firefly delivers. A kite that brings you upwind in the swell, but becomes as invisible as possible when fully riding the waves downwind, but always stays ready for a pull if needed.


@Huib
have you ever tried a small Peak4 in comparision with your clouds? I don't expect that it comes close but maybe more close than all other not single skin or hybrids could, also had a no struter some years ago. And the benefit of the cloud would be it exist in 2,2 m² even if it is very expensive for that size and as you said hard to get or test in Europe.

But actually as seen in the other topic I also tinkering around on the firefly to see how far upwind I will get it compfortable.

Nice to see there are so many happy with the Peak4 3 m² like me, just can add again the motivation: Try to use it unhooked feeling in waves improves so much more and also for a low wind start while looping it, you may have more success unhooked. I am now just for longer runs upwind hooked. Even unhooked backflips are very nice, already started to do them full flying. :D
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Re: Market for Hydrofoil Wave Foil kites < 4 sqm

Postby jumptheshark » Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:56 pm

Really? Full flying unhooked back loop?

That would be fu(&ing amazing.

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Re: Market for Hydrofoil Wave Foil kites < 4 sqm

Postby omg » Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:20 pm

Instead of kitewing, how would these smaller single skin kites work with foil and very short lines, say 7 meters? Main idea to find a solution for "very" gusty winds?

Thanks!

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Re: Market for Hydrofoil Wave Foil kites < 4 sqm

Postby foilholio » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:52 pm

You can fly them straight off the bridles.

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Re: Market for Hydrofoil Wave Foil kites < 4 sqm

Postby jumptheshark » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:50 am

I guess the point is more, is anyone doing that. Super interested in these kite developments, and looking to what people like Horst and Stephane et al. are settling into is key. I can fly my LEI kites on 5m lines, but I don't. 17 is so far my min for enjoyable window size and loop ability. With no bridle thats prob closer to 15 or even 14m line for people on foils..... how long are the bridles on the the Peak and Firefly anyway?

And seriously. full foiling unhooked backlooop?! please film it.


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