You can't "mod" a Pansh to a high level kite no matter what you do it, it is quite same as to try to convert Kia to Porsche. Adding spoilers and chip tune engine isn't quite enoughfoilholio wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:46 amMore complicated does not necessarily make it a better kite and can actually make it worse. Look at some of the unnecessary things Flysurfer has done in the past like jet flaps and blowout valves. A paraglider does not directly translate into a kite either. A kite has a lot more to design for.
For the money and considering the brand name you should not be needing to "mod" anything. You may as well buy a Pansh.Horst Sergio wrote: It has some cons where it doesn't arrive at FS level, but some of them can be moded to FS level or close
Little connection line can make the trimming more complex and are not in any case working the way they should. I saw this on a race kite from another brand on the beach which was torn but had intact LCL's. Orbit Blocks are heavier but failsafe that is for the NOVA more important because it is not a Race Kite. The manual that came with my NOVA does not talk about replacing bridles every 50 hours. For the NOVA the durable Dynacore (sleeved Dyneema) lines are used and my bridles are still in perfect shape. Mixer adjustment is possible and PLKB has a video explaining how. I had no need so far to touch the mixer because my kite is flying great.foilholio wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:17 pmNova looks good but... no LCLs, uses orbit blocks, no mixer adjustment, manual talks about replacing bridle every 50hours and that the bridle stretches... very weird I have never seen a modern line used on a kite do this. I question if they understand the basics of design like how materials work.
I think I could not bring myself to buy a Nova just for the horrible website, I love the lack of video controls. Then there is https://www.peterlynnkiteboarding.com/r ... lity-check. Testing the stability of a foil kite with the bar in? LoL
Yeah, but Fiat could make a Porsche to the same specs, and that would be enough to compete, and NOT charge for slapping the Porsche logo on it. So you have made a statement of false equivalency. Pansh's issues are more with not straight up ripping off design, which is easy to do. Kites are just precisely cut and sewn fabric. Sticking Duotone or Ozone on the side is what adds $2500 to the end user's cost for your "Porshce".
If Fiat would be able to do that than they would have a brand like "Porsche" but they dont. But lets get back to foil kites. Just do a test. Count the number of parts on a Pansch or some lower aspect 31 cell foil kites and count the number of parts on a Soul. I would bet that a Soul is made ca. 2-3 times more parts, and actually it means 2-3 times of cutting and 2-3 times of sewing and compiling work. The reason for the many parts in case of a Soul, that when you want to make high performance kite with a relatively lower aspect ratio and having a good stability then the way to go is to use all the technology, and that requires more cells, rigifoil parts, 3d shaping, complex internal structure, etc. You can make a foil kite cheap with a simple structure and actually it might be an ok kite. To design a foil kite what is easy to handle, stable and still having a lot of performance that is quite a big challenge, and to sell a new kite for a customer who is an experienced kiter, the new kite has to be better than his previus kite. In many cases a poorly designed foil kites are not really better than recent tube kites. If you would execute a blind test on 10 experienced tube kiters and you would give them let say a Soul and a Pansh kite, then 10 out of 10 would choose the Soul. They would feel the performance difference from the higher jumps, bigger lift, better upwind etc. (I can't speak for a Capa because I never tried one but it looks quite close to the Soul actually.)Matteo V wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:11 pmYeah, but Fiat could make a Porsche to the same specs, and that would be enough to compete, and NOT charge for slapping the Porsche logo on it. So you have made a statement of false equivalency. Pansh's issues are more with not straight up ripping off design, which is easy to do. Kites are just precisely cut and sewn fabric. Sticking Duotone or Ozone on the side is what adds $2500 to the end user's cost for your "Porshce".
So.....few things. First you do admit that it is just a "BRAND" here. That is just some name you pay more for. But the market cannot support Porsche prices in any more than the top end customers who are not as concerned with money as they are flaunting how much money they have. I mean, how many Porsche owners can even reach half the potential of that vehicle on a closed track. And that is still not even a purpose built race car.Skywalker7 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:53 pmIf Fiat would be able to do that than they would have a brand like "Porsche" but they dont.
Lots here, but let me sum it up. Though I have very little experience with Peter Lynn kites, I did use other companies offerings in open cell kites back when the Venom's were still around. From Flysurfer to HQ to Ozone, I rode them all on the snow. I owned many too, from each brand.Skywalker7 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:53 pmCount the number of parts on a Pansch or some lower aspect 31 cell foil kites and count the number of parts on a Soul. I would bet that a Soul is made ca. 2-3 times more parts, and actually it means 2-3 times of cutting and 2-3 times of sewing and compiling work. The reason for the many parts in case of a Soul, that when you want to make high performance kite with a relatively lower aspect ratio and having a good stability then the way to go is to use all the technology, and that requires more cells, rigifoil parts, 3d shaping, complex internal structure, etc. You can make a foil kite cheap with a simple structure and actually it might be an ok kite. To design a foil kite what is easy to handle, stable and still having a lot of performance that is quite a big challenge, and to sell a new kite for a customer who is an experienced kiter, the new kite has to be better than his previus kite. In many cases a poorly designed foil kites are not really better than recent tube kites. If you would execute a blind test on 10 experienced tube kiters and you would give them let say a Soul and a Pansh kite, then 10 out of 10 would choose the Soul. They would feel the performance difference from the higher jumps, bigger lift, better upwind etc. (I can't speak for a Capa because I never tried one but it looks quite close to the Soul actually.)
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