Skywalker7 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:53 pm
If Fiat would be able to do that than they would have a brand like "Porsche" but they dont.
So.....few things. First you do admit that it is just a "BRAND" here. That is just some name you pay more for. But the market cannot support Porsche prices in any more than the top end customers who are not as concerned with money as they are flaunting how much money they have. I mean, how many Porsche owners can even reach half the potential of that vehicle on a closed track. And that is still not even a purpose built race car.
Second, how do you know that Fiat is not able to meet the performance of Porsche? You know that "no drivin wannabe rich people" won't buy Fiat because they could not stand to be "seen" in one. "SEEN" in one as in "it is not fashionable". And it is because they are afraid they would not get the respect from people they expect. Again, noting to do with ability to drive.
Skywalker7 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:53 pm
Count the number of parts on a Pansch or some lower aspect 31 cell foil kites and count the number of parts on a Soul. I would bet that a Soul is made ca. 2-3 times more parts, and actually it means 2-3 times of cutting and 2-3 times of sewing and compiling work. The reason for the many parts in case of a Soul, that when you want to make high performance kite with a relatively lower aspect ratio and having a good stability then the way to go is to use all the technology, and that requires more cells, rigifoil parts, 3d shaping, complex internal structure, etc. You can make a foil kite cheap with a simple structure and actually it might be an ok kite. To design a foil kite what is easy to handle, stable and still having a lot of performance that is quite a big challenge, and to sell a new kite for a customer who is an experienced kiter, the new kite has to be better than his previus kite. In many cases a poorly designed foil kites are not really better than recent tube kites. If you would execute a blind test on 10 experienced tube kiters and you would give them let say a Soul and a Pansh kite, then 10 out of 10 would choose the Soul. They would feel the performance difference from the higher jumps, bigger lift, better upwind etc. (I can't speak for a Capa because I never tried one but it looks quite close to the Soul actually.)
Lots here, but let me sum it up. Though I have very little experience with Peter Lynn kites, I did use other companies offerings in open cell kites back when the Venom's were still around. From Flysurfer to HQ to Ozone, I rode them all on the snow. I owned many too, from each brand.
But the best kite on the market back around 2012, was the HQ Matrixx I. Don't get this confused with the Matrixx II and later HQ offerings as those were not deserving of even having the same name. And the Matrixx I was the best kite on the market until the Chrono II came out.
But do you want to know the worst kite ever? It was the Speed series from Flysurfer. The flying speed and turning speed meant they were the slowest lumbering POS kites in the air. And given Flysurfer's undeservedly large market share in the closed cell market, they held back "demand based development", likely 5-10years. Why? Because just about anyone that flew a Speed series kite in the larger sizes thought that ALL big foils were slow and lumbering POS's. Then came along the HQ Matrixx I. HQ was the first to the market with a fast freestyle capable kite in the 15m size. Everybody wanted an 18m, or 21m in that kite because of how much faster the Matrixx 15m was than even smaller foil kites. H f---in Q did it! Now tell me how that one works. Luck? Yeah, i'd say so. But it had nothing to do with super complicated kite design. It had to do with "good kite design". Sadly, HQ moved away from that advanced highly capable design when they came out with the Matrixx II that felt exactly like a slow and lumbering Speed series Flysurfer. Thank goodness Ozone stepped in with the Chrono II.
So careful when you start claiming that the sonic or soul is the root of any advancement in large closed cell kites. That is pretty far from the truth, and Flysurfer is more to blame for the market waiting this long to get a good foil kite in 15-21 meter sizes.