I beg to differ I asked Benoît to make me a Wave 12.5 and I have now tested it in good conditions. It works very very well ... very good upwind, good power, good drift for surfing, turns well for a 12.5 and huge depower. It is a very good kite. That was one of my missing sizes and I am very happy to have it (I now travel with CA Waves 4.5 / 8.5 / 12.5).kitexpert wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:19 pmIDK how thick or thin airfoil CA Wave kite has but most important explanation for its behavior is its small size. Low aspect small foil kite is the easiest kite type there is. But if that kind of kite was made say 12m -15m size it would totally suck, low AR low cell count simple design is just not enough any more. All small kites fly and turn fast, no matter if they are thick or thin.
Ok, but that seems different design compared to small sizes. Like always with CA kites there is no decent pictures available so difficult to say more.stefFZ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:03 am
I beg to differ I asked Benoît to make me a Wave 12.5 and I have now tested it in good conditions. It works very very well ... very good upwind, good power, good drift for surfing, turns well for a 12.5 and huge depower. It is a very good kite. That was one of my missing sizes and I am very happy to have it (I now travel with CA Waves 4.5 / 8.5 / 12.5).
I put some comments in the CA Wave thread already and you can find more here (in French):
http://www.lesfoilz.com/phpBB3/viewtopi ... =Wave+12.5
Try and say what you think afterwards, always better for an informed judgment. This is what I do for kiting as the science of kite design is still full of holes (I am a scientist myself) and there is plenty of room for craftsmanship.
Again try ... I have the use for this kite, surfing. I am not sure at all that it will "loose" (as you said) against a Nova but a back to back test would be necessary. I have a preference for low / mid ratio kites for what I do and CA waves are a step up in waves against other mid-ratio kites. For other uses, that would be different and, FYI, it is not at all a beginner kite. For the little story, my intend for the Wave 12.5 wasn't for water but primarly for backcountry snowkiting as they are very agile and stable with an very large depower. It then proved to be very nice in waves too.kitexpert wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:56 pmPersonally I don't have much use for bigger foil kites with so low AR and frankly I don't know why anyone would need a kite like that. As a concept it is like a kite for an over weight beginner. For sure skilled hf rider can go well upwind with it etc. but in comparison it will lose against say mid AR kite like Nova (which is a well designed kite for a reasonable money).
For what? What are you doing in light wind? Surfing waves? You just can't seem to get your head around being push by a wave at the kite till the apparent wind drops to 0 or even goes negative.kitexpert wrote: In ultra light wind efficiency is more important than light weight.
And you can't fly anything in no wind.kitexpert wrote: You can fly 360's in 2kn with high AR foil kite or just use a LEI with skis when there is some wind.
360 on a single skin? of course they can.kitexpert wrote:I doubt neither is possible with a single skin kite
??? Um. If the kite doesn't stay in the air I would think it is a problem for any style. It is just surfing is the most demanding to this.kitexpert wrote: In surf staying in the air and good drift is for sure important, but again this is to make kite kind of obsolete when concentrating on a wave.
Why strawman me. Of course I like kites that do everything.kitexpert wrote: It seems like you foilholio appreciate when kite does nothing
If you are hoping the economics of being a tube kite designer are somehow going to improve, you are more than just a little confused on exactly what effect making your product even more expensive will do to you.kitexpert wrote: However now light weight LEI's are coming with new materials, they should be good for everything except old people (lawn mowers) and for racing.
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