A15 doesn't have similar AR to Genesis and they both are normal sized and shaped kites. Of course both work well (within their capabilities) with usual 1:2:4 mixer.
No they are quite different kites. A15 is much more suited to Jackomixer than standard mixer. Cord length seems to be the relevant fact as well as bridle positions.
You think now FS kites are primitive, Ozone kites are primitive? They all work how I explained
No I don't think they are primitive, and they don't work as you explained.
They all work how I explained, there is no single line in them which is slacking when you sheet in
Of course they have lines that go slack, or vary tension depending on bar position and the kites position in the window.
kitexpert wrote:neither their shape is distorted by slacking line rows.
Of course their shape is distorted, they have camber changing setup so it is only possible for the bridles to align with the shape at one point, if it does ever which is usually not.
Adjusting C-Z can make them also tighter, then depower is compromised.
You cannot possible have any idea what you talk about. Depower actually increases when Z is made shorter. We are talking about depower foils, not fix bridle creatures....
I don't know any kite which would benefit by having decreasing camber when powering up.
And I don't know why you would bring that up? Maybe it is because you do not understand the way in which kites use decreasing camber? It's for part of the sheet range. The low AoA portion to increase stability.
I always write clearly because it is my style and I understand foil kites quite thoroughly
This is a joke right?
I've told why 1:2:4 mixer is so widely used in foil kites several times here - why is it so difficult to understand?
Because your are an idiot and there is nothing to be understood from you on this.
But if you like your kite to back stall, to make it turn pivoting (by stalling it)
idiot, NO, wrong, not correct, thick head, idiot, wrong. Do you get it? You are wrong.
kitexpert wrote:but don't claim kite will become better
idiot, wrong, thick head, mo-ron. You are wrong, do you understand?
For example if you boost with your jackokite it will very probably stall during the jump, very nasty and dangerous behavior
Stupid person, you don't know of what you talk of, you are an idiot. Is it clear to you?
I mean how the f*** do you even design kites? Do people pay you for it?
If you prevent it then you will have empty movement when your bar is sheeted out.
I could keep going on with how stupid you are but it is really losing the point. The fact someone can call him self a kite designing expert and yet have such a narrow idiotic mind when it comes to kites, well it is no wonder the industries main output is new colors on kites... FFS please for the sake of the future of kiteboarding quit designing kites, you really suck at it.
merl wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:13 pm
dan_kan wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:56 am
2:1 bar is just 100% more depower throw, mixer 4:3 is 33% more,
What is the 4:3 mixer to which you are referring?
I can not find the previous pic without mods, so don't include the red or green lines and puleys
Yes Ratio is Z4:C2:B1. That is with 3 rear line pulled, with 4 line its 1/3 more. Interesting. You could apply it to the Jackomixer and have for 3line:4Z:3C:2B. Interesting how it passes 2 lines through the one pulley.
You would likely need both the pulley lines attach at the same point on B.
S2000kitesurfer wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:30 am
I tried a 2:1 bar before modification.
It was absolutely terrible in comparison to the Jackomixer
2:1 bar is just 100% more depower throw, mixer 4:3 is 33% more, so it is not the same and not comparable to the camber changes.
Jacomixer seems has 50% more depower throw which is not so important to me but he also changes the profile of the wing. I hope that the profile deformation of the Minima will not cause unpredictable kite behavior. From the manuals of the foil kites seem the more the camber the less stable is the kite. Will see.
The Jackomixer is far better than a pulley bar. The ratio with line is for Jackomixer 4line:6Z:4C:2B and standard mixer 4line:4Z:2C:1B. So you can see everything is double except Z.
Thanks to you I know now about another mixer mod - jackomixer. At now I have 2 foil kites Soul 10 and Minima 11. The first has less power but huge depower range and the second oposite. I tryed to extend the "max depower" of Minima (I understand max depower as a depower increase that i can use the kite in higer winds; it's not the depower throw). At now I have tested the "4:3" mixer which is the best compromise between more depower throw vs bar pressure. It extends depower throw at 33% compared to standard 4:2:1 mixer. To see how it works I created simple excel with recalculated BCZ positions (as below). But at the end I did not increase the max depower but only depower throw which is better for foiling for me with the Minima. Why "max depower" did not increase? Because the kite reaches his min angle of attack much faster, that's it, nothing more. So we have max and min power as originally designed but more available by extended depower throw at the expense of precision of power control. To extend the max depower I really believe that we have to increase the B position and C relative to AZ - creating more camber.. I have some idea to do that with the 4:3 mixer but It needs another pulley, and till now I didnt tryed it yet, so can't confirm.
The Jackomixer as a mod does not increase the depower, but changes the trim range to be shorter so the depower can be accessed easier. You can modify a mixer though to have more depower, by either lengthening B or lengthening the pulley lines. The camber the mixer sets and the depower limit should be separate, no need for one to affect the other.
Yes, my schematic was just to illustrate the differences.
I tried to draw it clean to avoid crossed lines.
You had it right except the wrong pulley line on top. The Z pulley line should be on top, the mod does not cross swords.