I am not overestimating your experience, I am certain it is much less than me. I do not want to sound superior to you in that regard but I am trying to help you or anyone that might honestly listen.downunder wrote: Please do not overestimate my experience and underestimate other users who do not want to spend time in here. As I do.
downunder wrote: The subjective experience is easy to prove, as above. Record that video, measure the time for deflation.
I have absolutely no reason to lie to you. I am telling you straight that deflation is not an issue, or more correctly should not be an issue done right.fernmanus wrote: When I read that a couple of you are have no issues with the deflation, it makes me wonder if I am doing something wrong.
I often only open one butt flap, because that is all I need to. For the biggest kites though, before you wrap the bar, you secure the kite folded and open both butt flaps or the zipper or what ever. You wind the lines up to the bridles secure them on the bar, usually both ends. Then you tidy the bridles, having them from the bar going neatly in a tight line into the kite. If you wrap a lot of the bridles on the bar this will occur nearer the tips. Like this it prevents tangles the most. If you wrap less of the bridles you can route them out closer to the center where the fold is. This will prevent damage from twists and kinks to the bridles when rolling the kite. Though it does take longer and is more likely to tangle at least till you get some experience with it.
I usually have the bridles going in through the TE which I think works best you can do them into the LE. It is important to have the pulleys out of the kite so you can rinse them. If you wrap the bridles on the bar the pulleys will be on the bar. I often have one set of pulleys on the bar one set off.
Now by the time all that is done given any
amount of wind, particularly a high amount your kite should have mostly or entirely deflated by itself. Now if it is a smaller kite it is more likely to have deflated more vs if it is a big kite. Even if it has not deflated at all it is still very easy to pack up. I usually land into a wind shadow with no wind, I will usually wrap the bar before securing the kite, my smallest kite even has no deflate hole! and I have no issue. You can roll the air out very quickly, well less so with no deflate at all The trick you may be missing is you roll the kite loosely so it is a bigger bundle and quicker to roll. When you get to the say last 1/5 of the kite you roll it tighter to get all the air out and make it smaller. If you have the bundle you roll getting too big you roll it tighter to get the air out. On the biggest kites you can't roll them in one spot or too much air gathers in the bundle. So you alternate rolling the top then the bottom then the middle, etc. It is really kite and situation dependent. You get to know your gear every time you pack up ,and then improve your method. You shouldn't be spending more than 2-3 minutes packing up. I can pack up in about 1 to 2mins. That's from kite flying to kite and bar all wrapped and rolled. I still have to rinse my bar and importantly the pulleys.fernmanus wrote: Most of the time, I do not have any issues, but in high winds, the slow deflation becomes a problem
Ok that is not a deflation issue that is a bridle tangling problem. They are not the same but both relate to packing up. To avoid tangles always launch or land downwind. You can also land into wind shadows downwind or to the side. That stick you can land on the window side many be good too, viewtopic.php?f=197&t=2405848. If someone is help you land you have a problem. They need to get the kite on the ground to reduce the flapping. As usual no one has a clue how to land foil kites even those that have used them... I only self land and self launch, avoiding any problems. That said if someone knows how to land a foil kite, he will grab it, stand or sand one tip, grab the other tip and secure it and open the deflate. The kite should be deflated before you have finished or even started winding your lines! But that is with people who know what they are doing. You have better luck with strangers landing a foil kite.fernmanus wrote: The issue is the tangling of the bridles on one end due to the TE flapping up and down.
If you can't land without making tangles, get good an undoing tangles. Personally after undoing a few tangles you may reconsider landing downwind or in a wind shadow. Though you can get very good at undoing tangles, you can also get very good at avoiding them.
Always try avoid packing a kite tangled. Fix it on the beach then. Also never disconnect the lines for a tangle, you are just asking to make your life hell if you do. In fact you should always leave your bar on a foil kite, not doing so is just a misery. But hey some people are miserable, maybe they like it?fernmanus wrote: The pulleys get tangled and then I have the fun job of unpicking a tangled mess when I get home.
This is weird I don't see any strange bridling on the soul that would prevent it reverse landing. Maybe the high air retention prevents it folding well? Foils kites should not collapse when deep in the window either, they are more stable like any kite there...jannik wrote: With the soul I don't dare to do it it other than light winds and I don't kite in light winds. If you collapse the kite it will pivot.
I think the internal structures in Aluula would be a good start. They could use a fabric 1/3 the weight and still cut way more holes in it.tkaraszewski wrote: Maybe Flysurfer can get the new Aluula fabric for the Soul? Cut the weight of the kite in half and make the fabric stiffer?