Pansh Genesis 2019 3m review vs old and new mod.

[Matty V]

Can you prove s2000 isn’t foilholio?

Has s2000 been booted?
Or you saying mistyo is foilholio too?

I know the guy, lives in the UK. He's in YouTube with same username as here, check his videos.
He did not have much clue of ramair kites until about an year ago, but is progressing fast.

And he's not bashing the big brands like FH, just happy with what he gets out of those Chinese kites and sharing it openly.

Know him as in met him or know as in seen his vids on YouTube?

Guess there is no smoke without fire for him to get flicked, how well do you really know him?

[Bille]

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No wonder Toby gets pissed off with people showing up posting Pansh all over the forum Using it as free promotion for a company that doesn’t support the forums survival.

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I actually asked Toby, if Pansh supported his forum ; his answer caused
me to NOT post anything, about the kites, that company builds. I will never
make a video of me kiteboarding , with a Pansh kite ; unless they are willing
to help support, this forum.

Bille

[Regis-de-giens]

I do not understand and support this idea... do every brand support the forum ? I like the freedom of this forum, why limit our reviews on some brand ?

I think that neither Kitech nor Conceptair nor Aeros nor Elf support this forum, while i think people are happy to read on the kites. Kiteforum is to me the real international reference of kiteboarding, also because of the diversity of kite reviews and people worldwide.

Just my honest feeling to keep the incredible interest of Kiteforum.

[hongchew]

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No wonder Toby gets pissed off with people showing up posting Pansh all over the forum Using it as free promotion for a company that doesn’t support the forums survival.

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I actually asked Toby, if Pansh supported his forum ; his answer caused
me to NOT post anything, about the kites, that company builds. I will never
make a video of me kiteboarding , with a Pansh kite ; unless they are willing
to help support, this forum.

Bille

If "support" means direct monetary contribution, I'd believe Pansh does very advertising *anywhere* given their size and budget, and I think that's the reason many of their kites come out the factory with incorrect bridle settings.

But Pansh definitely "support"s kiteforum by increasing the traffic flow, which every level.headed website operator will appreciate.

[Bille]

I do not understand and support this idea... do every brand support the forum ? I like the freedom of this forum, why limit our reviews on some brand ?
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Because i Like KF; and want it to be around a while longer !

Because i Respect Toby ; and can't stand pricks, that take advantage
of him !!

There is a reason why Pansh offered money back , to customers who post
videos of their kites on forums ; it's cheaper than paying for advertisements .

Bille

[Toby]

Thx Bille.

Truth is, kiteforum will run out of business if brands don’t support.
Just using it for their own benefits without giving back will destroy it.

You know who to blame one day.

So pls support the brands who support kiteforum

[Regis-de-giens]

So pls support the brands who support kiteforum

Which are the brand that support Kiteforum ?

[Toby]

So pls support the brands who support kiteforum

Which are the brand that support Kiteforum ?

Currently:

Cabrinha
Core
Duotone
Eleveight
Kitesurf Shack
Naish
Newind
North
Ocean Rodeo
Woo

Please support them!

[knyfe]

If they start to advertise their product need to work . Right now you get what you ordered. A cheap kite which flys but need real attention to really work. My G5 is just like that but that’s what I ordered for $120. Does not fly out of the bag but I am sure I get it to work somehow.

I rather donate to KF than seeing ads and keep the discussion about products independent from the need of placing ads. Whaaat Ozone does not place ads with you?

Now back to the topic: So Bille how does your Pansy fly?-)

[Kiter_from_Germany]

I do not understand and support this idea... do every brand support the forum ? I like the freedom of this forum, why limit our reviews on some brand ?
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Because i Like KF; and want it to be around a while longer !

Because i Respect Toby ; and can't stand pricks, that take advantage
of him !!

There is a reason why Pansh offered money back , to customers who post
videos of their kites on forums ; it's cheaper than paying for advertisements .

Bille

seeing that I support pansh?!
They robbed my 'one of the first vids' of their A15/18m on the water from YouTube, just put them on their page....oooof course without donation!
After a year I wrote them a mail 'contributing' the vid, cause their poor setup, laughing about them.

Finding that their CAD is good for kite design but totally rubbish for pooooor bridle design over generations of kites.
But I fear they will starve with it till end of days... cause of their (perhaps language based) ignorance.
Put myself a good year to make my A15/18m fly. Tweak works at 9m, 12m also, which I own. Had some bad disputes with foilholio, but he also injected very good ideas. Difficult person.

Learnd a lot - but if you buy one, you have to accept, that you start tweaking instead of riding. At least at the big ones from 15m...

But at pansh I must send:
Potential alone is worth nothing!