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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5 is here

Postby Smeagle » Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:14 am

vanart wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:09 am
In 5.5 - 6.5 knots 12 m Soul is already enough look at the video below!

It would be great if Peak could push the limit even further i don't know 3-4-5 knts perhaps!?
I have not watched that video, will watch it after work.

First: There is a big difference/variation in "real wind" when measuring ~2.5m above ground (like I do)... It is impossible to compare wind ranges only by a "statement", you need to "see" or better feel the wind to really compare. I meassure at the beach, as far away from trees etc. as possible, holding up for ~30 seconds and give the range I see as a reference. That does not meant that this value is the "REAL WIND" acting on the kite. ;) I cannot really give the "REAL WIND", sorry.

If you are at the coast/sea and meassure 5 knots holding your arm up at the beach you can be quite sure, the wind is stronger than that higher up and further out on the sea!

It's different, to my experience, at lakes and when land kiting. I cannot feel higher winds when the kite is high up. And I sometime even measure higher wind at the beach because of compression effect between trees at some spots.

I use Peak below ~8 knots.

And yes its possible to go lower than soul. 4..5 knots is easy, 3..4 knots is possible. 2..3 knots starts to get really difficult, as it get more and more difficult to keep the kite flying while swimming/climbing on board. Starting from ~5 knots I can kitefoil with normal kitefoil board, only problem is getting the board in correct orientation for start, normal waterstart is difficult, but pushing the board under water and standing up hips deep in water works. But if the wind is really low its mich easier to use Wingfoil board you can stand up on without any wind.

For me there is a big difference between Soul and Peak.

Peak will fly completely stable from 4 knots. Not only parked, but you can move it "freely". You can do dives etc. You can recover after you lost line tension most of the time. But you need shorter backlines than stock do do it.

Soul will fly stable from ~5 knots, BUT in that wind you have to center and control it tightly. It will give trouble when you start to move it. It will fly out of wind window and collapse when line tension is lost, it will roll in tips when flying closed to edge etc. So in that lower range 5..7 knots yes, you can use Soul, but in that range Peak is perfectly easy to ride but Soul is a lot of work. So I prefer Peak. Soul is just very heavy in relation.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5 is here

Postby Peter_Frank » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:50 pm

Smeagle wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:54 am
Sorry double post again!? Why do I get errors when posting and still my post shows up, only later? Sorry for that.

It is pretty normal (and irritating indeed)....

If you post, and get an error, dont post again but open the site in another window and see, most often it HAS been posted.
That goes for mobiles as well as pc's, on this site with quite a number of site connection losses daily, so the post has been sent, but the confirmation does not always reach the poster.

Just a hint, check in another browserwindow first :D

8) Peter

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5 is here

Postby flaps1111 » Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:31 pm

This summer I was also experimenting with the peak4 13m, I think I beat everyone here in long lines, I tested it with 25m, 32m and 42m :lol: if we add about 3 meters of bridles would be 45m!
I was really surprised by the behavior, the ease of going out in onshore wind and save situations where a double skin or LEI would have gone to the soup.
It is incredible but there is not much difference in speed between 32m and 42m lines with a 55cm race bar.
I'm crazy to try it again but with a bigger wing. In my case I'm not trying to ride with less wind but to make it easier. With a LEI 14m and 32m lines I could go down to 6/7/8 knots, with the peak I have gone down a knot to 5/6/7 but the difference is that it is easier and gives confidence, you have to adjust the timming on the gybes because there is a second that the kite does not pull at all.
I love the single skin concept for launching, landing and fast folding
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5 is here

Postby Smeagle » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:22 am

flaps1111 wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:31 pm
This summer I was also experimenting with the peak4 13m, I think I beat everyone here in long lines, I tested it with 25m, 32m and 42m :lol: if we add about 3 meters of bridles would be 45m!
I was really surprised by the behavior, the ease of going out in onshore wind and save situations where a double skin or LEI would have gone to the soup.
Interesting.

I tried longer lines (my 24m + 5m extensions)... But I felt,what I gained in "time" I lost by more difficult control because of more delay in reaction... I used the normal Flysurfer lines (DC300/DC200) which are quite "springy" and have a lot of wind resistence... Maybe I could try better lines, thinner and less springy...

What lines do you use when flying with 42m? With my lines (DC300/200) it feels like it takes too long until I get reaction when using "very long" lines.

Very long lines were fine for me when there is enough wind, but in marginal wind, I had a hard time to keep the kite in motion. I even planned to try shorter lines next time in <4 knots to see if it is maybe even easiert. Yes, I will loose power, but I expect to gain control. And my feeling is I have enough power, but I often drop the kite because I loose control in low wind.

- Oliver

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5 is here

Postby flaps1111 » Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:32 am

Hi Oliver! My experience is totally different, with short lines none of my kites work well, it's like night and day, but what makes the difference is using the Race Ozone bar, if you know someone who will lend it to you you will see the difference even with my Airush Ultra I used this summer a standard 23m water contact bar with a 5m LEI was unusable, clunky, no power... Etc. I use two race bars with 25m and 32m ( and 10m extension) ...the 25 are race sk99 lines and the 32m are the old race ones but much thinner, I can't tell you how much power they hold but I guess it will be 200/150, they are very thin.

I lent my 32 bar to a friend of mine because his was broken and he was amazed at how well his LEI kite worked, fast at 32m, he usually uses the standard 24m Airush bar.

For me using long lines only has advantages, it increases the power spike, captures more quality wind due to the gradient effect, the only limitation is obviously the space needed.

J. L.
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5 is here

Postby Smeagle » Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:39 am

flaps1111 wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:32 am
Hi Oliver! My experience is totally different, with short lines none of my kites work well,
[...]

the 25 are race sk99 lines and the 32m are the old race ones but much thinner, I can't tell you how much power they hold but I guess it will be 200/150, they are very thin.
Thanks,

Yeah, just as I expected! Loading is irrelevant (200/150 is plenty for light wind), and your SK99/race lines are MUCH thinner and lots less "springy" (not sure if that is the correct word, sorry for bad English) so you will get far superior reacting than me with the thick/cheap lines Flysurfer uses. I just used the lines and extensions from Flysurfer Connect bars, which have these very basic LIROS Lines (DC300/DC200).

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5 is here

Postby Nelis » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:11 am

flaps1111 wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:31 pm
This summer I was also experimenting with the peak4 13m, I think I beat everyone here in long lines, I tested it with 25m, 32m and 42m :lol: if we add about 3 meters of bridles would be 45m!
Hey, judging from the location and gear in your signature, I think I've seen you the second and third week of September at Oliva Nova? The 13m Peak on long lines in 6 knots looked insane!

I was on the water with you during the windy days with 4m Peak4 and green Alpha V2.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5 is here

Postby flaps1111 » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:54 am

Nelis wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:11 am
flaps1111 wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:31 pm
This summer I was also experimenting with the peak4 13m, I think I beat everyone here in long lines, I tested it with 25m, 32m and 42m :lol: if we add about 3 meters of bridles would be 45m!
Hey, judging from the location and gear in your signature, I think I've seen you the second and third week of September at Oliva Nova? The 13m Peak on long lines in 6 knots looked insane!

I was on the water with you during the windy days with 4m Peak4 and green Alpha V2.
Hi Nelis, I'm sure it was me. I go out by the river, but I don't remember seeing another Peak 4m apart from my friends. What area did you start from? The campsite?

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5 is here

Postby Nelis » Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:29 pm

I was just on the other side of the river mouth. I came over briefly to you or one of your friends to verify your Peak sizes on that light day. Anyways, a joy to watch the 8m Peak, 13m Peak and 17m Airrush in comparison with those conditions.
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5 is here

Postby flaps1111 » Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:34 pm

Smeagle wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:58 am
I trimmed the profile very deep (AA1..AA4+2cm,B+5cm, C+2cm). I shorted the backlines ~20cm and I use 24m lines in V configuration.
Is there any tutorial on how to do this? I don't have any experience in trimming foil kites.
Thank you.


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