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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5

Postby Slappysan » Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:58 pm

Regis-de-giens wrote:
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65 litres and two possible foils: 1800 medium ratio and 950 high ratio . Still 60kg...
I Could waterstart on knees i suppose with the kite (because i Can do taxi waterstart with my 5m wing and i know foilkites very well).
I can do stinkbug starts with my 58L board and a hand wing just fine, it's a bit different with a kite. If it's still 10+ knots it shouldn't be that bad but because I'm flying 5m and 6m Peaks that means it's 7 knots or less when trying to do on board starts. When it's this light it makes it a challenge as you can't take your hands off the bar and the kite doesn't really offer enough resistance to help.
Regis-de-giens wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:12 pm
My objective is pure swell supfoil mode, meaning do not use kite traction when downwind and only freeflying with nothing in hands, (except go slowly upwind to another round like what is called upwind-defleat in wingfoil)
One thing I've been considering is doing a "deflate downwinder" with a Peak (trouble is I think I'd need to buy one smaller than 5m). Kite up wind then do a deep water packdown and then use a Pocket Wing to downwind back (not sure when the Pocket Wing will be commercially released though):
https://www.fiveowindsports.com/store/p/pocket-wing




You might be able to use one of the Born Star kites as an alternative in the mean time, I'd guess Street Star 3 4m would be decent:
http://www.born-kite.de/?cat=c22_Street ... Path=21_22

A big part of the appeal of the pocket kite is how easily it folds up in to your hand once you are on wave though, not sure if Born kites would do that well.

Now imagine if Flysurfer could come up with a pocket version of the Peak that could actually go upwind!

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5

Postby IWantToFly » Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:34 am

alekbelia wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:11 am
IWantToFly wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2023 2:39 am
...I’m curious why you think the Peak > Hybrid here(other than price)?...
Pure singleskin is lighter and does not carry air in it. This also leads to lighter handling.
The lightest possible bar and thin lines are very important here. Otherwise, the difference cannot be felt and used.
This year I rode exclusively singleskins on wave. I tested a hybrid on the beach but didn't like it enough to test it on the water.
Thanks. I think we already had this discussion in the hybrid thread, but all I can say is give it a try on the water! It is slightly less playful, but drifts even better and is reliably relaunchable. (We have all relaunched peaks at times so I don’t mean to suggest it can’t be done, as your last post shows, but it is definitely not guaranteed!)

And I’m riding both with a 45cm carbon kiss bar with ozone race lines.
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5

Postby Regis-de-giens » Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:02 am

Thanks to all for such interesting feedbacks.
I found a good opportunité for hybrid 2.5 which i will buy.
Slappysan wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:58 pm

You might be able to use one of the Born Star kites as an alternative in the mean time, I'd guess Street Star 3 4m would be decent:
http://www.born-kite.de/?cat=c22_Street ... Path=21_22

A big part of the appeal of the pocket kite is how easily it folds up in to your hand once you are on wave though, not sure if Born kites would do that well.

Now imagine if Flysurfer could come up with a pocket version of the Peak that could actually go upwind!
I want to try both, so also parking a kite After launch of downwind waterstart. I have a 2.4m nasawing which should work. Bornkite NASA star should bé even a bit better but this nasawing IS lready on m'y shelves as trainer kite.

I may try with my future hybrid 2.5 as well, without lines
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5

Postby lederhosen » Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:18 pm

While looking through pictures of used peak 5s, a pattern arises: the holes in those triangles that attach the canopy to the bridle, they tend to fray and rip.

Not on my peak 5s though and I am NOT careful, but on many kites on offer.

So either people fly peaks way overpowered, which is wrong. Or those holes are no good. Peak 4 did not have holes, which seems to be better.
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5

Postby IWantToFly » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:39 am

Regis-de-giens wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:02 am
Thanks to all for such interesting feedbacks.
I found a good opportunité for hybrid 2.5 which i will buy.
Slappysan wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:58 pm

You might be able to use one of the Born Star kites as an alternative in the mean time, I'd guess Street Star 3 4m would be decent:
http://www.born-kite.de/?cat=c22_Street ... Path=21_22

A big part of the appeal of the pocket kite is how easily it folds up in to your hand once you are on wave though, not sure if Born kites would do that well.

Now imagine if Flysurfer could come up with a pocket version of the Peak that could actually go upwind!
I want to try both, so also parking a kite After launch of downwind waterstart. I have a 2.4m nasawing which should work. Bornkite NASA star should bé even a bit better but this nasawing IS lready on m'y shelves as trainer kite.

I may try with my future hybrid 2.5 as well, without lines
Keep us updated.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5

Postby Slappysan » Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:25 pm

Slappysan wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:40 pm
Regis-de-giens wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:02 pm
- kite as neutral as possible , and trying to reach a kind of auto-zenith : kite stable around the zenith without hands on the bar, but only punctual and minimum inputs of the pilot
in your opinion what are the pro and cos of those three kites on those special features ?
Another big factor is your waves. If you have legit swell that's moving at 15 knots straight downwind and you only have 20 konts of wind you are hitting the point where you will have to fly the kite more, especially when you do a cut back on the wave and start heading even faster directly at your kite.
You can see what I'm talking about in this video:

once I got on a little bump and started surfing then as soon as I carved down the face towards the kite it just turned in to a grocery bag and fell in to the water. Sadly there is no real warning it's about to happen either. Now granted I was out there in 7 knots so it's very easy to do. In 20 knots you would have to have a decent speed wave to have it happen.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5

Postby Smeagle » Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:00 am

Slappysan wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:25 pm
once I got on a little bump and started surfing then as soon as I carved down the face towards the kite it just turned in to a grocery bag and fell in to the water. Sadly there is no real warning it's about to happen either. Now granted I was out there in 7 knots so it's very easy to do. In 20 knots you would have to have a decent speed wave to have it happen.
Nice video!

Maybe you should look into relaunch of Peak? It is possible ;)



Will take some time at first try, but seeing how you handled the kite to self rescue, I am sure you would be able to do it!

- Oliver

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5

Postby Slappysan » Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:44 pm

Smeagle wrote:
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Maybe you should look into relaunch of Peak? It is possible ;)
I've relaunched a few times in 9-10 knots but often I'm out there when there is no wind at the surface to hold up that leading edge. Now if I could figure out a way to launch by hand and fly it with the lines rolled up then slowly unroll them while the kite is flying, that would be amazing.
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5

Postby alekbelia » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:42 am

Slappysan wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:44 pm
I've relaunched a few times in 9-10 knots but often I'm out there when there is no wind at the surface to hold up that leading edge. Now if I could figure out a way to launch by hand and fly it with the lines rolled up then slowly unroll them while the kite is flying, that would be amazing.
I use the same technique, but when I unroll the lines, I keep them taut so that part of the kite is in the air (it's good to be a good swimmer). But I haven't tried this in 9-10 knots of wind, but stronger. In light winds, I use a singleskin Click 9 sq.m. kite, which I have never dropped on the water yet.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 5

Postby OzBungy » Fri Oct 20, 2023 1:05 am

I have been dabbling with my Peak 5 and I'm having some fun with it. I crashed it once and was able to swim to it and put it in relaunch position. The leading edge was sitting up and nicely filled with air. Unfortunately with no tension on the lines the leading edge sagged back into the water by the time I got back into position.

I can think of ways of keeping tension on the lines (running the front lines through my fingers, winding/unwinding the lines onto the bar). They all seem a bit complicated and tricky to be useful techniques. Any other relaunch suggestions that are simple and effective?

BTW The last session I hung the kite bag around my neck and stuffed it down my wetsuit. It would be easy enough to stuff the kite into the bag and paddle back to the beach, especially using a wing foiling board, which is what I am working through for light wind experiments.


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