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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby merl » Tue May 23, 2023 12:21 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 5:15 pm
What are your experiences, and what was your feedback merl, and others?

I have had the 8 m2 Hysper2 since christmas, in 27 g/m2.
Nice. I bought mine second hand so I think it is the "regular" weight - which is already crazy light. Maybe the lightest kites per m2?

I sold my 6m peak 5 as I felt that this kite covers its range. What I said after the first couple of outings still holds - it is an impressively quick and agile kite which is at least as fast as the 6m peak and I think that the useable top end is at least as good.

I cannot comment on relaunch yet as I have not properly crashed it.

The main weak point for me is not much power in the loops for starting in light winds. At the absolute bottom end I am not sure that I am better than with the 6m peak. I have not tried tweaking the bridle or adding longer lines, and tbh I did have longer lines on my peak (~25m).

If I could make a wish list for the hysper v3 I'd try to improve the flapping at the wing tips when the wingtip is depowered (e.g. in tight turns). I think a less square shape would probably behave better, but perhaps this will sacrifice some of the fast turning? I have experimented with adding nylon filaments to the outer cells (easy to form a pocket by sewing together the loose edges where cells meet - I can take a photo if there is interest). The latest mod I'm testing is a bit more radical - a 2mm carbon fiber rod inside a 1cm diameter soft foam rod, inserted into a pocket sewn into the wide wingtips (a bit like the spars in a Peter-lynn Arc, but much more flexible). This keeps the wingtips in much better shape, but I suspect it will cause trouble with bridle tangles, so I might not keep them. Another minor issue in the design is the white ribs to which the lower bridle lines attach. These are very light so you notice that they are often not under tension and flap a lot.

Overall I am impressed with this kite, which is the biggest kite I have tried which has the fun small-kite feeling, and I look forward to seeing whatever else sky country have in store. I'd be interested to try a 6m. I am not sure that I would necessarily like this model in the 4m size - I get the impression from what I read that it is a bit too fast for my taste.

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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby Regis-de-giens » Tue May 23, 2023 1:25 pm

merl wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 12:21 pm
I look forward to seeing whatever else sky country have in store
Are you really sure ? :lol:
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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby merl » Tue May 23, 2023 3:20 pm

No, not that! I meant for the development of the hysper style kite. The original development was targeted to beginners (mainly on snow?) rather than freeride hyrdofoil.

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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby Peter_Frank » Tue May 23, 2023 6:31 pm

Regis-de-giens wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 1:25 pm
merl wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 12:21 pm
I look forward to seeing whatever else sky country have in store
Are you really sure ? :lol:
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Wow, I love that kite, in the Lite version 15 or 18 m2 on long lines it could be the ultimate marginal wind kite, maybe even better than the Kauper Falcon XT :rollgrin:

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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby Smeagle » Wed May 24, 2023 7:59 am

merl wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 3:20 pm
No, not that! I meant for the development of the hysper style kite. The original development was targeted to beginners (mainly on snow?) rather than freeride hyrdofoil.
It may have been targeted at Beginners, but it is the perfect "relaxed" Hydrofoil Kite IMO. But "Freeride", meaning fast I am not sure? Even in very light Wind, when I go with full power/speed the apparent wind is not handled very well. Hysper cannot go very far to the edge of wind window. There are better Kites for that. BUT for riding "relaxed", also at extreme downwind angles, Carving, playing with the wind... Hysper is perfect! If you want to go real fast, better use something different. I go to Hawk for that, I can ride it faster. But it is still not VERY fast ;)

This was in 8..10 knots with Hysper 14m, I was trying out maximum upwind and downwind angles in low wind:
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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby Gerwinnaar » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:10 pm

Anyone a recommendation for the size of the Hysper 2 to potentially replace the Peak5 6m?
Based on what I read I need to go for an 8m is that correct?
I didn’t like the missing of power in the loop of a hybrid, does the Hysper have similar powerful loops as the peak?

I actually have the same questions for the Marabou2, anyone?

Unfortunately I cannot test these kites in The Netherlands

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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby merl » Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:03 pm

I replaced the 6m peak 4 with the 8.

The 8 seems faster, has a big range, but a somewhat weak loop. I don't think it has a better bottom end than the peak. Might even be a bit worse. But the speed at which the kite changes direction when you yank on the bar is impressive.
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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby Smeagle » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:49 am

Hello,

I was hijacking the Flysurfer Hybrid Thread ;) Thought, I'd better take it to this thread.

I mentioned, my 8m Hysper came trimmed very badly. It had extreme problems with backstalling, profile was "negative", B a little and C a lot too short. But my 14m Hysper was fine from factory.

After I trimmed mixer of 8m it was fine, too.
mashimisha2 wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:38 pm
I just received a new 8m Hysper2.
I do not have a 14m kite for comparison.

How can I set the bridles to a neutral (correct) setting?
You fix the ends with a distance of 20cm, without pigtails:
Hysper_Trim_1.jpg
A,B,C and middle knot of Z should be at same distance when lines are parallel and under some tension. I use rubberband to pull all 4.
Hysper_Trim_2.jpg
You can change Mixer by moving the knots.


I fly my Hysper 14m and 8m with longer B and longer C (about half of B). Sorry, I don't know the exact values, B is about ~4cm longer and C is half of that, about ~2cm longer. I started with neutral mixer and have set this at the field until I was happy and never measured the exact amount.
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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby mashimisha2 » Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:40 am

I am very happy with the 8 meter Hysper2.

I think that it has a little more low-end power than the 6m Peak, and better top-end, getting uncomfortable at around 18 knots.
Relaunch is not nearly as easy as the FS Hybrid.

The turning speed and drift are excellent.
Upwind is also pretty good and it provides a bit of lift for practicing foot swaps and tacks.

It appears to be a very good complement to the 5.5 meter Hybrid (good overlap), together covering a usable range of about 8 ~ 20 knots.

I have extended the "C" lines by 2.5cm and the "B" lines by 1.5cm.
I have also tied knots for a flat (stable) profile for higher wind. Both settings work very well.

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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby Peter_Frank » Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:31 am

merl wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:03 pm
I replaced the 6m peak 4 with the 8.

The 8 seems faster, has a big range, but a somewhat weak loop. I don't think it has a better bottom end than the peak. Might even be a bit worse. But the speed at which the kite changes direction when you yank on the bar is impressive.

Same here, only a tad more power from the Hysper2 8 m2 (when longer lines) compared to my Peak5 6 m2 on std lines.
Both turn fast yes, but suddenly no advantages with the 8, sold it, too close to the Peak, and the Peak has the awesome Peak feel and acceleration.

Maybe I should have chosen a bigger size Hysper2?

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