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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby alekbelia » Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:00 pm

Unfortunately, all hybrid kites, without exception, are significantly worse aerodynamically than singleskin kites.
For light to medium light winds I don't see a niche they can fill between singleskin kites and classic parafoils.

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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby mashimisha2 » Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:24 am

Peter_Frank wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:31 am

Same here, only a tad more power from the Hysper2 8 m2 (when longer lines) compared to my Peak5 6 m2 on std lines.
Both turn fast yes, but suddenly no advantages with the 8, sold it, too close to the Peak, and the Peak has the awesome Peak feel and acceleration.

Maybe I should have chosen a bigger size Hysper2?

8) Peter
Somebody should get an 8 meter Alma.
That looks like a very interesting kite.


I would love to see a comparison with the Hybrid, Marabou, and/or Hysper.

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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby stefFZ » Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:04 pm

You have a lot of discussion & information here:

https://lesfoilz.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=4

We tested extensively a lot of hybrid kites (and single skins) over the years (Firefly V1,V2 & V3, Hybrid, Peaks several generation, Hysper 1&2, Marabou 1&2, Alma...) + many other kites (I use myself Concept Air Waves in waves and snowkiting). Some of us (including me) have a special focus on waves on hydrofoils and/or surfboards (myself for the latter for instance and I see in hybrid the future of surfing with a kite although I think we are only at the beginning). We have no brand affiliation.

It is in French but a good online translator will get you there ... and several of us speak English if needed.

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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby vanart » Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:31 pm

alekbelia wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:00 pm
Unfortunately, all hybrid kites, without exception, are significantly worse aerodynamically than singleskin kites.
For light to medium light winds I don't see a niche they can fill between singleskin kites and classic parafoils.
Unfortunately, you are right.....
Moreover, I cannot envision at least one scenario where hybrid kite like Flysurfer recent Hybrid would have an advantage over Soul or Peak....
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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby merl » Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:00 pm

alekbelia wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:00 pm
Unfortunately, all hybrid kites, without exception, are significantly worse aerodynamically than singleskin kites.
For light to medium light winds I don't see a niche they can fill between singleskin kites and classic parafoils.
Not many people have had the chance to fly all hybrids - you are lucky. But wouldn't you say that the firefly v2 flies pretty similar to the peak 4 in 4m? And the v3 should be closer to the peak 5 maybe? I've not tried the peak 5 so that is guesswork on my part.

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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby alekbelia » Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:54 pm

merl wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:00 pm
Not many people have had the chance to fly all hybrids - you are lucky. But wouldn't you say that the firefly v2 flies pretty similar to the peak 4 in 4m? And the v3 should be closer to the peak 5 maybe? I've not tried the peak 5 so that is guesswork on my part.
I'm sorry if I expressed myself incorrectly. I only have singleskin kites (from 3 manufacturers already). I've seen and compared quite a few hybrids, but they generally have poor aerodynamics. This is due to the transition between the two-layer and one-layer part of the hybrid.
I have had the opportunity to test hybrids but have not wanted to, as the differences between pure singleskin kites and hybrids are quite significant.
While in pure singleskin kites a virtual lower surface is formed, in hybrids it is disturbed and the power per unit area drops significantly.
It's also very difficult to make a two-layer part with good aerodynamics because it's narrow.

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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby Avo » Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:09 am

I own a Hysper2 14m and some Peaks, including a v5 8m.
It seems to me that the hybrid (Hysper) has a wider window i.e. higher L/D which is simply better aerodynamics. I am not saying it is better on every aspects but the aerodynamics is better to me.
I also feel it flies better, with better lift and not much slower despite the much bigger surface area.
I have not had the opportunity to fly Hysper2 8m VS Peak5 8m.
Just my 2 cents, not considering myself as a kite expert.
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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby mashimisha2 » Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:22 am

Avo wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:09 am
I own a Hysper2 14m and some Peaks, including a v5 8m.
It seems to me that the hybrid (Hysper) has a wider window i.e. higher L/D which is simply better aerodynamics. I am not saying it is better on every aspects but the aerodynamics is better to me.
I also feel it flies better, with better lift and not much slower despite the much bigger surface area.
I have not had the opportunity to fly Hysper2 8m VS Peak5 8m.
Just my 2 cents, not considering myself as a kite expert.
Avo
I agree with Avo.

I prefer the Hybrid and Hysper2 over the Peaks (4, 5, 6, 13 meter), which I was using all last year.
Perhaps I am not a good enough foiler to take advantage of the benefits of the Peak . . . but . . .

I am using a glidey wing and tiny stab, so I do not need a kite to pull me through turns.
I want to make turns while moving straight downwind and I want the kite to stay the hell out of my way.

It is nice to have the kite accelerate ahead of me, but not at the cost of deforming and falling out of the sky when the lines become slack.
When I am confident that I can relaunch the kite, I can relax and push my limits.

If there is a trade-off between clean aerodynamics and drift - I will take drift every time.
A bit of low-end power to get up on a smaller kite does not outweigh the cost of having to swim home or wait for a rescue.
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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby alekbelia » Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:01 am

mashimisha2 wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:22 am
If there is a trade-off between clean aerodynamics and drift - I will take drift every time.
A bit of low-end power to get up on a smaller kite does not outweigh the cost of having to swim home or wait for a rescue.
I will also try to explain my point of view about the drift, which in this case is the opposite.
Slack lines are more of a kite piloting error than drifting ability. The kite can and should be piloted so that no slack lines are allowed.
In this sense, drift is the ability of the kite to fly without power and to change its trajectory as quickly as possible, without momentum that throws the rider off balance.
Kite inertia is the other disadvantage that is associated with drifting. A kite with high momentum tends to maintain its direction of travel instead of following the rider line. And it's the momentum of the kite that also leads to soft lines.
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Re: test of Hysper v2 from Sky Country, relaunchable single skin

Postby Enclume » Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:23 am

Many ways of perceiving and appreciating drift for a kite 😃. I like to surf waves and let go of the bar while surfing the wave, most of the times going fully downwind. Avoiding any line tension. Once I’m done I pump the foil to regain line tension and grab the bar back. So a kite that can drift “alone” and not collapse is perfect.
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