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Postby jumptheshark » Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:48 pm
Not a bad idea!
I don’t remember there being any smaller than 8m.
When they tried to make a wave arc they called it the bomba. Turned faster but lost a bit of lift. They were pretty thick compared to the high aspect end of things (phantoms and f-arc before that) A 4 or 5m bomba design could be a killer drifting wave kite for foiling. It had less auto zenith for toe side riding and thick wingtips for faster relaunch.
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Postby PugetSoundKiter » Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:16 am
I've still got a 13m, will give a try on the hydrofoil sometime and let you know
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Postby zerogee_ca » Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:03 pm
I have a 10m Synergy and now this thread has me curious how well some of its attributes would work for foiling too.
Super stable.
Auto zenith.
Last to drop out of the sky in wind dropouts.
Great drifter.
Great upwind.
Builds apparent wind fast.
Not the fastest turning, but maybe still fast enough??
The two things that seem like a step backwards though, is going back to using a huge kite for foiling in likely a similar wind range that I currently use a 6m wave kite in and the different inflation /setup. The Synergy would have to turn out to be a phenomenal foiling kite.
I think I may still have a simple bar with a shorter, lighter weight, Qpower lineset to try this with too.
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Postby RedSky » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:07 am
Interesting. I’d like to see this done and how it compares.
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Postby Lamilu » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:58 am
I wish these 10 years old models could have survived and progressed…
A 2021 8 or 10 m Charger…Synergy…Phantom…
Never owned one…
But find them so cool…
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Postby geokite » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:39 pm
jumptheshark wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:48 pm
I don’t remember there being any smaller than 8m.
They did make a 6m Synergy, though I was never able to get one. My 6m is a Phantom 1, great in dry lake bed winds from 15-30mph.
My first couple of sessions foiling was using a 15m Synergy. Was ok until I wanted to go toeside. Fighting to keep the kite down with my hand on the top of bar? No thanks. And modern foil kites stay up in much lighter wind than the arcs do.
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Postby plummet » Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:45 pm
Yeah, i had a 10 venom as my high wind landboard kite.
Nice kite. As others said it, munched gusts. They are a super pain in the arse to launch in light winds. Because they are guttless, a 10m is equivalent to a 7m lei they are very slow compared to the equivalent wind range lei.
For that slow, gutless, shitty to launch in lights winds reasons , i dont think they would be ideal wave or foiling kited.
Ps they do drift pretty well. But slack line them too much and you will have an unrecoverable boetie.......
Cool kite for the day, but technology has moved on.
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Postby jumptheshark » Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:18 pm
A 4 or 5m arc concept borrowing from the old Bomba might make a great high wind wave chaser. Bomba design was pre venom, thicker and lower aspect ratio. It turned faster, resisted bow tying and relaunched better than the Geurilla. A lot of its design made it into the venom. Venom was definitely slow and underpowered compared to same size tubes, which they tried to remedy in the synergy by going back to S arc traits of thinner faster profiles. S arcs had loads of balls but less stability.
A small 4m thick n chunky arc design might be great on foil in 25+ knots. If I remember right it had very little auto zenith. As a small kite in high winds the speed would be acceptable and the inflate/launch easy. When pre inflated properly they were the safest and easiest kites to put up/down in a gale. These designs flew super well off just the front lines. Really well balances so uber stable with excellent input free drift. Would be a gust muncher with loads of depower too.
Pretty niche but I kinda want one!
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Postby Bille » Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:34 pm
The Venom had an adjustable strap , if ya reached inside the center
deflate valve on top ; pulling it tight would make the cells larger
diameter , and slow the kite down a bunch.
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Postby nothing2seehere » Fri Apr 01, 2022 12:27 pm
I think the new version of this MIGHT be Bruno's High Pressure kite concept. (
https://www.brunoinventions.com/auto-zenith-kite.html)
That does auto zennith but only when the bar is fully sheeted out (edit - looks like he added auto zennith with power at a later date). At the time he claimed a couple of manufacturers were looking into the concept but I'm not sure if it got any further. Shame really as it looked like it might be a cool concept but I guess if you looked at the numbers then it was difficult to sell as a kite range - its not a big air kite, race or freestyle kite so competition sales are out. Its a hard sell to a lot of the public really so how many sales can you make after paying to license the patent. Looked like an interesting kite to try on a hydrofoil though.
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