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Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby drsurf » Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:20 pm

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Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:16 pm
It is hard to know. This was my 13th day foiling in the waves without dropping my Peaks, but the waves were much bigger yesterday and this breaking wave caught me by surprise. In this case, the wave pushed me violently forward (and spun me around underwater) so the lines slacked completely and for a few seconds I didn't know which way was up. I've been trashed by waves like that with my wave kites on a SB and had the kite invert and/or the bridle lines wrapped around a wing tip ... also a problem. Without the breaking waves I don't feel too concerned about dropping a Peak .. although it does still happen on occasion. I'm glad I was wearing the PFD, because without it it would have been a very arduous swim in and there was absolutely no hope of catching up with my board.
Hi Flyboy.
Although I haven't had the same trashing in waves with my Hybrid, I can say after having used them since they came out that you are likely to have had a successful relaunch if you had a Hybrid on the end of your lines. There are a couple of reasons apart from Peter saying they jump out of the water :o which is true.

The weight of the Hybrid compared to a comparable sized Peak is about the same so it's very light and will float very high on the water ready to relaunch even with crashing waves. Secondly the bridles on the Hybrid are simple and short with a cross bridle which holds the kite in shape even when it's falling in no wind. This is where a Peak with no line tension can lose shape but the Hybrid won't.

There will always be an exceptional circumstance where relaunching won't be possible such as getting your foilboard tangled in the lines. From my experience the Hybrid is so easy to fly it's hard to crash and I've yet to have any of mine accidentally hit the water. I've had to deliberately crash my Hybrid to test the relaunch. Today was gusting 25-30 knots and the 2.5m Hybrid made foiling easy even in 4 foot choppy waves. While not as grunty as the Peaks they are easier to handle in strong gusty wind.

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Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby diogoveb » Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:25 pm

For those of you using the 3.5 and 5.5 sizes: isn’t it a huge gap between those sizes?

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Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:15 pm

diogoveb wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:25 pm
For those of you using the 3.5 and 5.5 sizes: isn’t it a huge gap between those sizes?
I have an idea it is too early, as you need some who has both, and have used them extensively, AND are writing on this forum.

Thus no answers yet regarding overlap or gap.

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Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby nayy » Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:44 pm

Hi all,

Flying peak4 3 and 5m², i'm 86kg and using sabfoil 633 foil.

I only flew my 3m² a couple of times... need 17-18kn.
5m² is used really a lot : did 90% of my sessions on it.

If I had to rebuy I would take peak4 4 and 6m².

Which size of hybrid would fit closest to 4 and 6m² peak4 ?

3.5-5.5
or
3.5-7.5
or
other suggestion ?

Nayy

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Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby Flyboy » Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:50 am

drsurf wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:20 pm

There will always be an exceptional circumstance where relaunching won't be possible such as getting your foilboard tangled in the lines. From my experience the Hybrid is so easy to fly it's hard to crash and I've yet to have any of mine accidentally hit the water. I've had to deliberately crash my Hybrid to test the relaunch. Today was gusting 25-30 knots and the 2.5m Hybrid made foiling easy even in 4 foot choppy waves. While not as grunty as the Peaks they are easier to handle in strong gusty wind.
I don't expect to drop my Peaks (although it occasionally does happen). But foiling in an overhead plus reef break is not the same as foiling in 4 foot choppy waves ... as I discovered. After 3 weeks foiling in the waves with no problems I was lulled into a false sense of security. Trying to water start in the impact zone I was surprised by a 6 foot wave that broke right on top of me - just really bad timing. The slack in the lines caused by the wave pushing me violently back and spinning me around resulted in the kite going into the water and then getting swamped by the wave. It certainly would be interesting to see if the Hybrid would manage to stay intact in that situation.

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Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby Peter_Frank » Sun Feb 05, 2023 6:35 am

nayy wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:44 pm
Snip...

Which size of hybrid would fit closest to 4 and 6m² peak4 ?

3.5-5.5
or
3.5-7.5
or
other suggestion ?

Nayy
Hybrid 7.5 instead of Peak 6 m2, definitely.
To replace the 4 m2 my guess would be a 5 (doesn't exist) or a 5.5 m2 Hybrid.

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Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby Gerwinnaar » Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:07 am

nayy wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:44 pm
Hi all,

Flying peak4 3 and 5m², i'm 86kg and using sabfoil 633 foil.

I only flew my 3m² a couple of times... need 17-18kn.
5m² is used really a lot : did 90% of my sessions on it.

If I had to rebuy I would take peak4 4 and 6m².

Which size of hybrid would fit closest to 4 and 6m² peak4 ?

3.5-5.5
or
3.5-7.5
or
other suggestion ?

Nayy
Flysurfer has wind ranges indicated on their page. And the indicated wind rage works for me on the foil with the peak5 6m and 4m.

6m peak5 = 7.5m hybrid 10-18knots

5m peak5 = 5.5m hybrid 12-22knots

4m peak5 = 3.5m hybrid 15-28knots
Edited after testing: this comparison is not correct for me in practice with 95kg. The 3.5m hybrid is not a replacement for the 4m peak. I need at least 18-20knots. The hi-end is better then indicated I already flew it up to 35knots with no problems. To replace a 4m peak5 you better take a 5.5 although I did not try a 5.5 myself.
My assumption is that the indicated low- end for all sizes is to optimistic because the power spike is lower then with the peak5. The indicated low-end for the 6m peak5(from 10 knots with 25m lines) and 4m peak5 (from 15knots with 17m lines) were working for me.

2.5m peak5 = 2.5m hybrid 18-32knots

I only have the 3.5m hybrid and I did not have a chance to test the low-end to see if I can foil from 15knots.
Based on the above indicated wind ranges I will keep my 6m peak 5 since I think the 7.5m hybrid will be less fun. And swimming with the 6m peak5 in 10-15 knots is not that bad on my spot. Swimming with the 4m peak5 is different since it is much more crowded with other kiters.

Two days ago I rode my 3.5m in 18-20knot in on shore conditions and dropped it two times but is relaunched really fast.
I crashed it because the hybrid loops a bit different then the peak5 in my experience, I will have to get used to it and probably increase my line length from 17m to 19m.
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Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby Adventure Logs » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:56 pm

nayy wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:44 pm
Hi all,

Flying peak4 3 and 5m², i'm 86kg and using sabfoil 633 foil.

I only flew my 3m² a couple of times... need 17-18kn.
5m² is used really a lot : did 90% of my sessions on it.

If I had to rebuy I would take peak4 4 and 6m².

Which size of hybrid would fit closest to 4 and 6m² peak4 ?

3.5-5.5
or
3.5-7.5
or
other suggestion ?

Nayy
They Hybrid produces less power than the Peak. So I would definitely do the 7.5 and if you wanted to cover the same low end of the 4m then get the 5.5m.
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Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby nayy » Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:48 pm

Gerwinnaar wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:07 am

I only have the 3.5m hybrid and I did not have a chance to test the low-end to see if I can foil from 15knots.
It would be great if you posted the lowend of the 3.5hybrid together with your weight when you had the conditions to test it.

Nayy

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Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby Gerwinnaar » Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:49 pm

nayy wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:48 pm
Gerwinnaar wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:07 am

I only have the 3.5m hybrid and I did not have a chance to test the low-end to see if I can foil from 15knots.
It would be great if you posted the lowend of the 3.5hybrid together with your weight when you had the conditions to test it.

Nayy
Today I tried in 12-15 knots and I could not get on foil. My weight is 95kg and I use a Gong Curve M (1150cm2). I sold my peak5 4m so I could not test it back to back but my guess is that I could get on foil from 15knots.

Later today I tried again when the wind picked up 16-20knots and I could get on foil. My estimate is I need 18 knots with my 3.5m hybrid.
This session ended unfortunately with a swim since I dropped it precisely in front of a wave and my foil got into my lines. To get my foil out of the lines I los line tension and the hybrid got two more waves . I think a lot of water came into the opening of the hybrid and I was not able to relaunch it, bad luck. Swimming with a peak5 is easier.

A bit disappointed for two reasons:
- I did not expect a swim with the hybrid since it relaunches really fast on the other hand it not really strange with waves putting water in the opening
- I also own a 6m peak5 but I don’t like to ride it up to 18-20 knots, with the peak5 4m it was nice to take frome 15knots, so maybe a 5.5m was a better choice to use next to the 6m peak 5. On the other hand using the 3.5m in 25-30knots was really awesome which probably cannot be done with a 5.5m
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