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Re: The Hybrid from Flysurfer

Postby Enclume » Wed Jan 24, 2024 8:28 am

Yes awesome feedback on this thread! Really nice!

I’m thinking of getting a 3.5 to complement my 2.5 and 5.5. Before getting one, anyone knows if is there any Hybrid 2 in the pipeline for this year?

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Re: The Hybrid from Flysurfer

Postby djdojo » Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:39 am

Doubt it, it hasn't been out that long. It'll be time for Peak 6 before Hybrid 2.

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Re: The Hybrid from Flysurfer

Postby Adventure Logs » Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:28 pm

It's very rare for Flysurfer to put the next version out so quickly. Last time was when they put out the Sonic2 in like a years time. Pissed bunch of people off. I wouldn't expect a Hybrid2 till next fall at the earliest and that would be if there's some new fabric which I haven't heard anything about.
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Re: The Hybrid from Flysurfer

Postby IWantToFly » Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:51 am

nayy wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:26 am
I have more problems with the bridle lines from my hybrid, because they are so thin. My peak4 was much easier.
Also the launch is trickier with the hybrid. (but with some pre-inflation and practise it's getting better)
Interesting. I find the simplicity of the Hybrid bridle easier than the Peak. I keep my Infexion bar attached. I can usually just lay out the kite, close the butthole, hold up the bar to see each set of lines, then walk the bar back with one set (left steering and power line, e.g.) in my hands until it’s all out. Make sure there is no inversion at the bar, then slowly pull and launch. It is easily the quickest kite I have to lay out and launch.

Of course, this is with the 3.5m. I suppose the big ones would take some pre-inflate.

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Re: The Hybrid from Flysurfer

Postby nayy » Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:12 pm

IWantToFly wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:51 am

Interesting. I find the simplicity of the Hybrid bridle easier than the Peak. I keep my Infexion bar attached. I can usually just lay out the kite, close the butthole, hold up the bar to see each set of lines, then walk the bar back with one set (left steering and power line, e.g.) in my hands until it’s all out. Make sure there is no inversion at the bar, then slowly pull and launch. It is easily the quickest kite I have to lay out and launch.

Of course, this is with the 3.5m. I suppose the big ones would take some pre-inflate.
I always detach my kites, and the bridle itself is very simple.
the only problem is that the bridles are very thin (compared to my peak4) and much harder to detangel.
On the beach is just hard to sea if all bridles are good before launch. When you launch and it's not ok, its a pain to land again (alone), detangle and relaunch.

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Re: The Hybrid from Flysurfer

Postby merl » Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:25 pm

nayy wrote:
Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:12 pm
the only problem is that the bridles are very thin (compared to my peak4) and much harder to detangel.
My theory is that the tangling is more due to having a mixture of different line thicknesses. I have had several kites with very thin race-kite bridles (R1v2 and hysper2 to be specific) and they are actually not so bad because all the lines are the same thickness. But when you mix thin lines with thicker ones something happens to cause them to tangle more easily.

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Re: The Hybrid from Flysurfer

Postby drsurf » Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:17 pm

I've never had a tangle with the Hybrid. If you keep your leader lines pulled over the leading edge/front of the kite and roll everything else inside the kite you shouldn't have any tangles.
When you set up have the kite trailing edge with sand on it directly downwind, take the lines which you put over the front of the kite, bring them over the kite and gently shake and tension them while pulling up the kite a little against the wind to view the lines are correct. It's simple and if you do it the same every time you'll have no tangles.

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Re: The Hybrid from Flysurfer

Postby Adventure Logs » Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:24 pm

drsurf wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:17 pm
I've never had a tangle with the Hybrid. If you keep your leader lines pulled over the leading edge/front of the kite and roll everything else inside the kite you shouldn't have any tangles.
When you set up have the kite trailing edge with sand on it directly downwind, take the lines which you put over the front of the kite, bring them over the kite and gently shake and tension them while pulling up the kite a little against the wind to view the lines are correct. It's simple and if you do it the same every time you'll have no tangles.
That's a strange way to roll up a foil kite but I can see how it can help with the Hybrid. It's that strange cross line that leads to the other side of the wing. It reminds me a lot of the Unity and they did it to help reduce bar pressure. I just rolled up my Hybrids like I've done every other foil and when setting up, a couple quick flicks to the bridle usually sorted itself out on it's own.

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Re: The Hybrid from Flysurfer

Postby PugetSoundKiter » Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:47 pm

Off topic but…
Adventure Logs wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:28 pm
It's very rare for Flysurfer to put the next version out so quickly. Last time was when they put out the Sonic2 in like a years time. Pissed bunch of people off. I wouldn't expect a Hybrid2 till next fall at the earliest and that would be if there's some new fabric which I haven't heard anything about.
From an older thread…
james wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:42 am
If you are going to compare kites then at least get them to match up in terms of development and time they were brought to market

Chrono vs sonic FR
R1 vs sonic FR
R1v2. vs sonic 2
R1v2 vs race

That's a more logical comparison, given the R1 v2 is still competitive with the newest flysurfer it is a pretty decent achievement
I Agree with you both. Race kites & Performance kites & Hydrofoils were evolving quickly 2015~2018…
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Re: The Hybrid from Flysurfer

Postby merl » Thu Feb 08, 2024 9:46 am

drsurf wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:17 pm
I've never had a tangle with the Hybrid. If you keep your leader lines pulled over the leading edge/front of the kite and roll everything else inside the kite you shouldn't have any tangles.
When you set up have the kite trailing edge with sand on it directly downwind, take the lines which you put over the front of the kite, bring them over the kite and gently shake and tension them while pulling up the kite a little against the wind to view the lines are correct. It's simple and if you do it the same every time you'll have no tangles.
This is fine info for any foil. But the fact remains that the hybrid bridle design is much more tangle prone that it needs to be. This is relevant if you have to land solo in high winds without a helper of a catcher or a wind shadow. Sometimes you cannot avoid a tangle in those situations.


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