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kiteloops with foil kites

Postby Regis-de-giens » Sat Oct 08, 2022 3:43 pm

this trick is a bit specific with a foilkite, so worth a dedicated topic; Ì stator this maneuver recently, here are my poor trials with sonic3 13m in light wind (not the best kite and wind for kite loops ... :cry: ) :
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Re: kiteloops with foil kites

Postby PugetSoundKiter » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:32 pm

Nice. I’ve played around with 12m Chrono1 loops. Line tension management and preventing overflying the window is tricky. Pulling a steering line hard/fast/far will make the kite pivot turn while falling back in the window, then the kite can pull you hard getting back forward in the window (if you tune/sheet your bar so you can keep some backstall it is more manageable). Allowing the kite to drift too much will loose line tension. But when it works it’s a cool sensation to exit with acceleration and high upwind angles. Opposite of the peak kite.
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Re: kiteloops with foil kites

Postby Herman » Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:04 pm

Sometimes I find it difficult to understand what is going on from a pov video, are you able to complete the kite loop in the front half of the window so that you don’t have to bear away to cope with the build up of line tension??
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Re: kiteloops with foil kites

Postby JakeFarley » Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:27 pm

I've done some downloop transitions with my 12m Soul (on a TT), but I am reluctant to try one with my 21m Speed 5 (was tempted yesterday but the winds were very light).

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Re: kiteloops with foil kites

Postby Regis-de-giens » Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:11 pm

Herman wrote:
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Sometimes I find it difficult to understand what is going on from a pov video, are you able to complete the kite loop in the front half of the window so that you don’t have to bear away to cope with the build up of line tension??
well spoted, I was not able to keep the kite in front of me ; I tried ... but not succeed ;

in this low wind (and 16m line length) the kite was needing the full window , and was finishing (too) far at the rear of the window ; 16m line length does not help I suppose, to keep the kite in front of the window ...

I tried first to jump higher and then launch the kite backward, like with LEI in more wind, but too low wind , so hard to reach more than 2.5 m high. And then kite at almost 0 speed at 2.5m high had so poor line tension and turned so slowly (and without lift ) that it did not turn enough before I touched the water ;

So in the end, launching the KL directly after having sent the kite backward to jump led to the most complete KL I could ;

1 more knot would have been better (not very much because then a KL is too impressive , dangerous in view of my level and risk of kite damage , while I am selling this So3 13m today)
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Re: kiteloops with foil kites

Postby Herman » Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:22 am

Sometimes I can make a bit more room in the front of the window by sheeting all in for a second, then sheeting out to let the kite “charge” towards the edge of the window. Trouble is you cannot afford to let the kite stop and so it makes the timing a bit more delicate to get it to turn back up while it is still going fast enough. Yours were impressive for such light wind!

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Re: kiteloops with foil kites

Postby Adventure Logs » Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:21 pm

We talking downloops, heli, or powered loops?

Downloops/helis are pretty easy on foils, especially during transitions. I use to downloop my Speed 3 CE 21m all the time but you gotta start it much eariler than you think. Just timing.

Powered looping a foil is something else though. Again it's all about timing and expect quite the surge. The Speeds/Sonics in my opinion just are not fast enough to properly power loop. Sure you can stall/spiral the wing to speed up the turn, but you lose the lift. The Soul I've powered kitelooped up to a 8m. Watch out for a very large surge in power(I think it comes from the upward flight) but it is fun as hell. The 6m is much calmer. I've seen the Gin Spirit loop but I've never flown one to compare.

In my initial review of the Soul1 8m @2:35 you can see a couple powered loops.

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Re: kiteloops with foil kites

Postby Regis-de-giens » Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:22 pm

Nice vid and nice skills !

Soul 6m in high wind is a better kiteloper than sonic3 13 m in light wind apparently ... Looool.
We are talking about kiteloop during a jump.
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Re: kiteloops with foil kites

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Re: kiteloops with foil kites

Postby SolarSet » Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:16 am

From original video it look like kite is nowhere near finishing a loop, I think 15 LEI would be quicker to finish loop than 13m foil kite, how is sonic 13m in jump transition heliloops? Does it have brought speed to finish loop? I guess it has so much lift that it doesn’t let rider sink easily.


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