Pansh Kestrel, high performance kite

[SolarSet]

Sure, I know the difference between a 15m flat arc ramair and a 13m LEI

Foil kite of 11m is about similar projected area (area that give you lift) is probably similar to your contra 13m if you want to try to compare apple to apple not apple to oranges when it comes to kite power.

[downunder]

Sure, I know the difference between a 15m flat arc ramair and a 13m LEI

Foil kite of 11m is about similar projected area (area that give you lift) is probably similar to your contra 13m if you want to try to compare apple to apple not apple to oranges when it comes to kite power.

Projected area has nothing to do with comparing the weight.
That said Alula same size would be lighter than a foil.
Buddy, tone a bit your language. That reply was a bit rude.

[Bille]

Sure, I know the difference between a 15m flat arc ramair and a 13m LEI

Foil kite of 11m is about similar projected area (area that give you lift) is probably similar to your contra 13m if you want to try to compare apple to apple not apple to oranges when it comes to kite power.

Projected area has nothing to do with comparing the weight.
That said Alula same size would be lighter than a foil.
Buddy, tone a bit your language. That reply was a bit rude.

Wasn't Rude one little bit ; you are just in your normal Crappy mood !!

As for projected aria has nothing to do with weight ; your completely wrong
"Again" .

The more projected aria a kite has the More lift will be developed ; so
to kites weighing the same , (the one with more projected aria will fly
in lower wind speed).

Bille

[nixmatters]

Sure, I know the difference between a 15m flat arc ramair and a 13m LEI

Foil kite of 11m is about similar projected area (area that give you lift) is probably similar to your contra 13m if you want to try to compare apple to apple not apple to oranges when it comes to kite power.

It´s OK, downunder. It´s a valid comment.
I can barely take off with the 13m Contra (actually a Neipryde CRX, probably a bit lighter than the Contra) when others on a 12m Soul are well powered.
I was just surprised that a +2m ramair is heavier than a LEI that has normal dacron, 3 struts and bladders.

[nixmatters]

Foil kite of 11m is about similar projected area (area that give you lift) is probably similar to your contra 13m if you want to try to compare apple to apple not apple to oranges when it comes to kite power.

Projected area has nothing to do with comparing the weight.
That said Alula same size would be lighter than a foil.
Buddy, tone a bit your language. That reply was a bit rude.

Wasn't Rude one little bit ; you are just in your normal Crappy mood !!

As for projected aria has nothing to do with weight ; your completely wrong
"Again" .

The more projected aria a kite has the More lift will be developed ; so
to kites weighing the same , (the one with more projected aria will fly
in lower wind speed).

Bille

On the other hand, Bille, if my 13m LEI had the weight of a similar projected area 11m from Smeagle´s spreadsheet - that is avrg. 1,850 kg - I would be able to sine and loop it fast enough to compensate for the smaller projected area.

[SolarSet]

On the other hand, Bille, if my 13m LEI had the weight of a similar projected area 11m from Smeagle´s spreadsheet - that is avrg. 1,850 kg - I would be able to sine and loop it fast enough to compensate for the smaller projected area.

In low wind condition foil kites have much higher aspect ratio meaning they sit further on the edge of the wind window what results in better apparent wind ability which is combination of actual wind + your kite speed and high aspect ratio kite are better at this.

Being able to quicker sine you kite to take you off water and let you start ride doesn't mean that you will be able to ride upwind comparing to someone on foil kite, generally foil kite are slower at everything to similar power LEI with exception to apparent speed once you accelerate to cruse speed they can go really fast.

Weight of the kite doesn't determine whether you can ride your kite and go upwind or not, it's a combination of various factors.
Foil kites come with few drawbacks making it often not worth investment once you experience these first handed, you might decide that its not worth the hassle.

[Bille]

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Foil kites come with few drawbacks making it often not worth investment once you experience these first handed, you might decide that its not worth the hassle.

I think my Bias in favor of foil kite ; it came about because
I learned on Peter-Lynn ram-airs, back in 2002 , when all my
kiting was done on land. My first 2 years of water kiting , were
also done on foil kites. 2005 was when I first started flying Ozone
LEI's .

Bille

[fernmanus]

Bille,

I understand your bias towards foil kites.

What I don’t understand is why you are looking at buying a relatively untested new design when you regularly kite at one of the more gusty lakes known to man? I don’t have to tell you how crazy Mohave can get. I would have a go with a Gin Spirit or FS Soul or a PL at Mohave, but there are a lot of foil kites I would never fly there.

You might want to let someone else do the beta testing in really gusty conditions before you put your money down on a new design.

[TritonFoils]

Ordered the 12m for $500 USD and change. Super curious as to what u get at this insane price re a 40+ cell ram air with internal baffling. In some ways u can’t really go wrong when the equivalent say FS Sonic 3 is $2000 USD +. Always like to see the big incumbents being challenged by upstarts especially on price.



Rudy, Co-Founder, Triton Foils.
www.tritonfoils.com

[Regis-de-giens]

No doubt it does more than the job at this price ... and more than that , it has some particularities that other foilkites have not.

Having a gin spirit in same size, i would say that Kestrel is more stable in irregular winds, forgiving, agile , more wind range and far better high end.
Gin has a better low end, better glide, better upwind angle, better hangtime in jumps.

Gin for very light wind ans speed. Kestel for easiness, safety, turns and high or turbulent wind (hawk is more stable for turbulences or beginners, but far less efficient). Theire is at least +3m2 of equivalent power beetween the two... So if you hesitate between two sizes of Kestrel, choose the larger one....