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martrench
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Re: Flysurfer Sonic 4

Postby martrench » Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:35 pm

I got in 3 sessions (Twintip) with my 12m Sonic 4 so far. It feels like a sportier Soul and the float/glide is better on jumps for me when compared to my old 12m Soul V1.

Note: I'm older, average rider. No kite loop stuff and just enjoy getting some air :D

My WOO is acting up again, but my jumps felt higher with more airtime. I flew it on 20m lines and tried 3m extensions one session which helped when the wind dropped some.

Will check back in after a few more sessions...

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Re: Flysurfer Sonic 4

Postby keegster17 » Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:40 pm

Sonic 4 sounds like Soul version one, 9m or Gin Spirit. 9m Soul loved to go fast, much different than the 10m.
Any better in gusty conditions? I am looking at a new 9m or 10m, in super high gusty winds foil kites at times can not be fun.

BalsaMichel
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Re: Flysurfer Sonic 4

Postby BalsaMichel » Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:57 pm

keegster17 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:40 pm
Sonic 4 sounds like Soul version one, 9m or Gin Spirit. 9m Soul loved to go fast, much different than the 10m.
Any better in gusty conditions? I am looking at a new 9m or 10m, in super high gusty winds foil kites at times can not be fun.
I have Soul 2 8m + Sonic 4 10m. In gusty conditions my choice will always be the Soul, never ever the Sonic. A certain amount of gusts and overpower is no issue but when it´s getting "really" gusty Sonic scares me (also at shore) with it´s high lifting potential and it also likes to rip the bar out of my hand in gusts when riding one-handed...not very playful then.

Remains the question what to do in lighter but gusty winds. Of course the Soul 8m lacks of power here. There is a bit of a gap between Soul 8 and Soul 10 with it´s higher aspect ratio, also in turning speed. Really would like to see an improvement here when Soul 3 hopefully will hit the shelves somewhen in 24.

Micha

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Re: Flysurfer Sonic 4

Postby Breze » Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:27 pm

BalsaMichel wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:57 pm
keegster17 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:40 pm
Sonic 4 sounds like Soul version one, 9m or Gin Spirit. 9m Soul loved to go fast, much different than the 10m.
Any better in gusty conditions? I am looking at a new 9m or 10m, in super high gusty winds foil kites at times can not be fun.
I have Soul 2 8m + Sonic 4 10m. In gusty conditions my choice will always be the Soul, never ever the Sonic. A certain amount of gusts and overpower is no issue but when it´s getting "really" gusty Sonic scares me (also at shore) with it´s high lifting potential and it also likes to rip the bar out of my hand in gusts when riding one-handed...not very playful then.

Remains the question what to do in lighter but gusty winds. Of course the Soul 8m lacks of power here. There is a bit of a gap between Soul 8 and Soul 10 with it´s higher aspect ratio, also in turning speed. Really would like to see an improvement here when Soul 3 hopefully will hit the shelves somewhen in 24.

Micha
@ Micha, have you played around with the setting of the Z-line? The "hydrofoil" setting should bring the bar force down and should tame the Sonic too in gusty conditions.
The first super gusty lake hydrofoil sessions (lets say 6-25kn conditions :o ) scared me too on the 11qm Sonic3 :wink: coming from the 10m Soul. Now i bought a 15qm S4 to get more hight in lighter conditions, but haven`t tried it yet - no wind or nuking

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Re: Flysurfer Sonic 4

Postby BalsaMichel » Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:42 am

Breze wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:27 pm
@ Micha, have you played around with the setting of the Z-line? The "hydrofoil" setting should bring the bar force down and should tame the Sonic too in gusty conditions.
The first super gusty lake hydrofoil sessions (lets say 6-25kn conditions :o ) scared me too on the 11qm Sonic3 :wink: coming from the 10m Soul. Now i bought a 15qm S4 to get more hight in lighter conditions, but haven`t tried it yet - no wind or nuking
Would be cool if Z-line setting will change behaviour in gusts, I have not tried it yet.

I don´t want to disappoint anybody. Sonic 4 is a fantastic kite. It´s just not my first choice in gusty winds. This is because of my personal "safety margin", the conditions at the spots where I´m riding and the fact that with Soul 8m and it´s lower aspect ratio I have a kite that works for me much better in such conditions.

Micha
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martrench
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Re: Flysurfer Sonic 4

Postby martrench » Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:20 pm

My 12m Sonic 4 seems really stable so far on stock settings (haven't changed anything yet).

I do have to be a bit more careful on setup since the thinner bridles seem to tangle easier than my Soul and pack up is a bit slower with only 1 deflate flap.

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Re: Flysurfer Sonic 4

Postby kitexpert » Wed Dec 20, 2023 12:37 pm

BalsaMichel wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:42 am
Breze wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:27 pm
@ Micha, have you played around with the setting of the Z-line? The "hydrofoil" setting should bring the bar force down and should tame the Sonic too in gusty conditions.
The first super gusty lake hydrofoil sessions (lets say 6-25kn conditions :o ) scared me too on the 11qm Sonic3 :wink: coming from the 10m Soul. Now i bought a 15qm S4 to get more hight in lighter conditions, but haven`t tried it yet - no wind or nuking
Would be cool if Z-line setting will change behaviour in gusts, I have not tried it yet.

I don´t want to disappoint anybody. Sonic 4 is a fantastic kite. It´s just not my first choice in gusty winds. This is because of my personal "safety margin", the conditions at the spots where I´m riding and the fact that with Soul 8m and it´s lower aspect ratio I have a kite that works for me much better in such conditions.

Micha
"Z-line setting" is very basic adjustment for brakes. If Z is very loose it is B-C line rows which turn kite to higher AoA as bar is sheeted in and this means camber decreases at the same time. This isn't actually very sensible way to do it, kite may feel weird and it turns worse and gives less performance for upwind and boosting.

If Z is on level with B-C kite will change AoA without much change in camber, it is reasonable. If Z is tighter than B-C kite becomes more reactive or even twitchy, so better not to go too far here either.

Z tightness is a bit personal matter. My rule is you shouldn't see much folding at the TE because of Z line row when sheeted in. Then kite works and looks smooth and has minimal drag. If kite feels slow to turn and bar feel is sticky you can try to make Z tighter. If you see TE is folding down a lot then you can suspect Z is too tight
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martrench
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Re: Flysurfer Sonic 4

Postby martrench » Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:59 pm

Anyone here flown a 8m Sonic 4 yet with Twintip? Interested in the wind range...

martrench
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Re: Flysurfer Sonic 4

Postby martrench » Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:36 pm

Checking back in - any new feedback/reviews on the 8m or 10m Sonic 4?

Thanks!


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