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Re: Tuto how to jump on a foil kite

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:50 pm
by edt
The main difference in a soul and a tube kite is 1) it's slower and 2) there's less pop than a tube kite. What this means is when you are popping on a tube kite you can really dig in and have a short takeoff. For the soul you want to have a relatively gentle pop, as it won't yank you off the water like the pop of a tube kite will. So a longer more gentle bigger curve on the pop. The second thing is because the soul is slower than a tube kite you need to start the boost sooner. Everything needs to be done slightly ahead in timing for the soul over the tube because it takes more time for the kite to get to the right spot. So for instance, on a tube kite you might initiate the jump 1/2 second before you leave the water. For the soul you might initiate the jump about 3/4 of a second before the jump

All kites lose power when they turn as it deforms the canopy, but the tube kites lose a lot less power when you yank hard on it and deform the kite. The soul by contrast tends to loose a lot more power when you turn it too hard and deform the canopy, as the kite really needs to be in a perfect shape for you to get maximal lift.

Every foil kite is different but in general you want to be more gentle overall, and take things slower so you don't dump all your power by deforming the kite. It really helps of course if you have a kicker, then you can really pop hard as you like using the kicker instead of the kite for pop.

Re: Tuto how to jump on a foil kite

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:05 pm
by Chriz76
funalex wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:30 pm
there are some 12m jumps here with the same process... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8wV4TDtFAQ or here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7OKvHHN0f8
Thank you for the videos. You are depowering on your way down. This seeemed to help me, too.

I only tried the heli loops a few times on my way down when I already dropped my foil board but it still always ended with a very unpleasant landing when the loop crashed me into the water.

What I couldn't see in your videos is the bar before takeoff. Are you sheeting out the bar while the kite goes up to twelve before you launch the jump and pull in the bar again?

Re: Tuto how to jump on a foil kite

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 8:20 pm
by jbrodin
You need to steer more firmly than with a tube. Send it hard and fast up, and hard and fast to the front again when coming down. The kite can backstall and become slow, to make it move faster for the catch, unsheathing slightly can help.

Re: Tuto how to jump on a foil kite

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:09 pm
by Mellowyellow
As I started the topic I would like to re focus on my subject please.

How to jump high with a twintip on a foil kite airwave koala 8m (pretty similar to a flysurfer soul 8m).

To sum up things :
- You said I need very high wind (more than a tube kite ?)
- Bringing the kite to 12 more slowly that a tube kite ? Or more firmly ?
- Starting to pop less aggressively than on a tube kite
- sheet the bar in earlier than on a tube kite and slower. - and keep the bar sheet in as long as possible ?

Re: Tuto how to jump on a foil kite

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:30 pm
by edt
Remember this is the internet. You have a dozen contradictory answers. It's up to you to figure out which of these answers is correct. It could be one or maybe two answers are correct but there's not much chance every answer is correct and you just have to combine them all together like a stew.

Re: Tuto how to jump on a foil kite

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:42 am
by knucklehead beginner
. there are some 12m jumps here with the same process... or here
I have a couple suggestions after viewing your video:

1. Launching - Try putting sand all the way around the front of the leading edge. If you weight that kite down more you can maximize the pre-inflation. Using a lot of sand, I am able to almost completely pre-inflate the kite without inversions in strong wind. It may be hard on the kite, but so much safer.

2. You are sending the kite past zenith, you could go higher by popping a tad sooner and then only taking the kite to zenith.

I need to try the Pansch Kestrel. I just wonder how it compares to the Gin Spirit and Ozone R1 V4, my current favorite boosting kites.

Re: Tuto how to jump on a foil kite

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:54 am
by fernmanus
MellowYellow and Chrisz,

Please give us a little more info.

1 How much do you weigh?
2. What size foil kite are you taking out for given conditions?
3. are you seeing a decrease in jump height since moving to a foil or about the same?
4. Are your landings always soft or do you frequently crash?
5. Are you doing straight airs or doing tricks?

A little more information is helpful.

Expectations - if you are not afraid of riding a kite that seems a bit large for the prevailing conditions, you should expect to see the following jump heights:
18m 8 to 12m jumps
15m 8 to 14m jumps
12m 8 to 16m jumps
10m 8 to 18m jumps
All with SOFT landings.

8m and smaller foil kites in strong winds are another story. Yes, you can go very high, but launching an 8m in high wind is risky business. I personally prefer to move to an LEI in strong winds.

Re: Tuto how to jump on a foil kite

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:44 am
by downunder
See,

even that is opposite of some expert Soul riders who would rather take smaller Soul on >30kn.
But that is related to the wind.
We have ultra strong seabreeze. Not cold front, but constant wind, no gusts, summer temp.

And flat water. So 8m will take you to the Moon, with looping it if having guts. And our riders do.

So for 8m sorry, but that really needs 25kn min.
Im on 10m V2 on 20kn. 60kg, board 120cm hand made.

On >25kn the 80kg guy on 8m Soul is killing it. Plus, 1500Euros board. The jumps he does are insane. But man, his leg is like my waist, I cant hold that edge like he does.
His landings are ultra fast. Me? Feather like.

Both of us are on a seat harness, huge bar throw.

Re: Tuto how to jump on a foil kite

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:51 am
by nothing2seehere
My best jumps with a foil kite come with the 'Big kite' technique. This is max speed and slowly bring the kite up to about 11. Then at 11 (or 1) you crank the bar as you start your upwind carve. I could never hold down an edge just cranking the bar from low down like I could on an LEI. Have the same problems with 12m and bigger LEI kites where I can't just crank the bar if its not light wind.

Re: Tuto how to jump on a foil kite

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:34 am
by sonny2727
knucklehead beginner wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:42 am
. there are some 12m jumps here with the same process... or here
I have a couple suggestions after viewing your video:

1. Launching - Try putting sand all the way around the front of the leading edge. If you weight that kite down more you can maximize the pre-inflation. Using a lot of sand, I am able to almost completely pre-inflate the kite without inversions in strong wind. It may be hard on the kite, but so much safer.

2. You are sending the kite past zenith, you could go higher by popping a tad sooner and then only taking the kite to zenith.

I need to try the Pansch Kestrel. I just wonder how it compares to the Gin Spirit and Ozone R1 V4, my current favorite boosting kites.
Regarding Ozone R1 V4 - do you use the original bridal or re-inforced replacement. I find lines quite thin and wonder jumping with R1 in high wind