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Self rescue on a 15/18/21 foil kite- advantages of different methods

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Re: Self rescue on a 15/18/21 foil kite- advantages of different methods

Postby ieism » Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:31 am

I have a small 5mm line with a mini carabiner stowed inside my front foothook zipper. If the kite is permanently down, i have a way to keep my board attached in big waves or strong current. But when done rolling the kite this is also easy to keep the heavy kite on the board when I have to swim it in.

I was also wondering if most people open up the zipper on their foilkite or not when rolling it on the water. Seems like maybe opening it will let more water in and make it heavier vs. just rolling a lot more slowly. I have a thin dyneema fabric bag in my wetsuit pocket. It's very thin and ligh material and you can easily make one yourself and it folds up very small. I've not needed it so far, but I could put my kite in it if I had to swim for a few hours.
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Re: Self rescue on a 15/18/21 foil kite- advantages of different methods

Postby thatwildtype » Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:59 pm

I always open the zipper, way faster packdown and does not stress the seams when pressing air out. Never had use for a leash, I sit on the board during packdown. Also use my Lycra top to keep everything tidy after packing.
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Re: Self rescue on a 15/18/21 foil kite- advantages of different methods

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:06 pm

But kite is typically, or should be, on its back (topside) in the water, and most zippers are on the back/topside, so won't it take on water, or do you roll fast to avoid this?

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Re: Self rescue on a 15/18/21 foil kite- advantages of different methods

Postby PullStrings » Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:29 pm

thatwildtype wrote:
Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:59 pm
I always open the zipper, way faster packdown and does not stress the seams when pressing air out. Never had use for a leash, I sit on the board during packdown. Also use my Lycra top to keep everything tidy after packing.
Which modern ram air kite still uses zipper on the topside ?? 🤔
What size in that kite ?
Speed 2 had plastic zipper way back then
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Re: Self rescue on a 15/18/21 foil kite- advantages of different methods

Postby thatwildtype » Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:02 pm

Sorry , I mean Velcro, not Zipper. Soul 10 and 15.
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Re: Self rescue on a 15/18/21 foil kite- advantages of different methods

Postby artificialname » Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:59 am

Wow I love this community. Thank you everyone for sharing your advice. I’ve decided to

1) practice deep water pack downs before I need to do it
2) be careful, methodical and neat, just like on the beach
3) buy some swim fins
https://usdivers.com/products/trek?vari ... 7507964060

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Re: Self rescue on a 15/18/21 foil kite- advantages of different methods

Postby Herman » Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:30 am

The Aurora has a topside zipper and the 3 has zipper and small magnetic butt/blow off. If you want to use the zipper - when you bring the tips together, tuck the top tip in an extra meter that puts the zipper pointing skywards. You then got to keep hold of the tips while pulling the mid point over to undo the zipper if you are in the water 💦. Can’t say I have ever done it in the water but think I have seen it done in calm flat water and no wind.

PS. If you wind the bar up with as much bridle as possible this brings the tips together and you can grab them and just put them together but again only easy in perfect conditions and suitable bar etc.

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Re: Self rescue on a 15/18/21 foil kite- advantages of different methods

Postby Avo » Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:54 am

I now always pack my kites with 1 or 2 bungee fasteners, normally used for tarpaulins, such as these:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Kuma-Rubber- ... k/54778399
Preferably in red or other hi-vis color, and they float well.
I attach them to my harness and use them to hold the kite nicely packed as described above, should I need to swim back to the shore.
Could not be easier!
I recommend carrying 2 with you.

A super compact foldable rucksack is welcome as well, I can then put my nicely packed kite on my back or attached to the board or under me when paddling back:
This 20-liter one is perfect for sizes up to 8m with the bar.
https://www.decathlon.fr/p/sac-a-dos-pl ... R-p-309854
It should be easy to copy the design to make a bigger one for bigger kites, using some fabric from old kites..
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Re: Self rescue on a 15/18/21 foil kite- advantages of different methods

Postby derek440 » Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:48 am

just do a nice roll-up and chuck it on the board, here is a good example from my wife with a 15m race kite:
I went out a few months ago in marginal wind on my 18m, ended up in the water near shore, did a quick rescue/swim and laid the kite out and launched from the land, then did it again but swam from further out. I decided kite wasn't big enough so got out my wife's 21m R1, had about 10 min riding and then put that in the water, self rescued and put kite out on the beach then she arrived at the kite spot to find two soaked sandy kites and I was in trouble for swimming her R1 :) One of the keys to an easy pack-down self-rescue is having a nice new kite that doesn't take on much water, makes life much easier.
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Re: Self rescue on a 15/18/21 foil kite- advantages of different methods

Postby Smeagle » Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:14 am

derek440 wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:48 am
just do a nice roll-up and chuck it on the board, here is a good example from my wife with a 15m race kite:
Thanks...

There is a little bit to learn from that video: This is not meant to blame you, just constructive feeback ;)

You stopped winding at the end of lines. Fixed them. Losing tension because of that. After some fiddling you started to wind up again, while lines were already without tension. You missed one bridle line because of this and it caused problems later. After winding the rest of bridles you did not fix them to the bar. You were moving around within range of the bridle lines, which can be dangerous. And bridles did fall of the bar and got more tangled/messed up than needed. If you get bridle lines on feet/legs it can be difficult to free them.

In my opinion, you should wind up lines AND bridles as far as possible in one go, never losing line tension while winding, and only after that fix the lines to the bar, very well! ANd only after fixing the lines you should unhook and put bar on top of kite (see below). If you do it like this you will have the bar very close to tips with less loose bridles in the water and a lot less mess and danger from bridle lines.

After opening the zipper, you should have went back to the tip the way you came, not around back of kite. In the back of kite are bridles in the water, it's safer to go back around the Leading edge. It is very good you moved the kite in Front of you while sitting on board for the biggest part, it's easier than swimming all the way.

When rolling the kite, fold in top tip ~30 cm, fold both tips again ~30cm - with all bridles between the tips. Put the bar on top after that, position the bar at the very front of kite, sticking out, and the QR even further out. I unhook after this and open zippers is the next step. The bar will still get buried in the roll later, but by this you can unroll without any tangles later. Just unroll on the beach until the QR gets visible and pull out the QR/bar away, to the back of kite and you will be able to just unroll the kite without any tangles.
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