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F-One Diablo flagging?

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:58 pm

Hi everyone.

My friends daughter ride with a 13 m2 Diablo on a twintip.

When the wind picked up and she didn't feel safe, she pulled the QR.

It wasn't fully lit of course, but the loops it made on one frontline was sufficient so she could not stand and hold it even in low water.
She is really experienced but new to foilkites.

Many of my friends having had this kite are racers, so they have never pulled the QR.
Neither have I...

But freeriders might have tried this, and able to answer?

How well does the classic Diablo work and flag when released to a single frontline?

Thanks :thumb:

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Re: F-One Diablo flagging?

Postby Breze » Sat Sep 30, 2023 9:04 pm

Hi Peter. The bar needs to travel up half the wingspan+ one meter, then the flagging should look like this
https://gleiten.tv/index.php/video/acti ... /page/345/
At 4.50 min you can see the flagging of a Sonic2.
The Diabolo should be the same.
It sounds that the bar didn't travel enough

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Re: F-One Diablo flagging?

Postby evan » Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:20 pm

That sonic seems to flagout too nicely for a single front line safety. I pulled the release multiple times on race kites on the twintip to prevent damage when it bowtied after a botched jump and it always ended with a spinning kite until it settled down on the water.

But it was never powerful enough to get dragged, so if it does you should check if the flagout is working as intended: pulling one front line in at least 6m.
What bar was she using?

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Re: F-One Diablo flagging?

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:12 pm

It is used with the original bar as I understand it.

And yes it didn't loop with power, but still didn't flag like we know from other kites and it was quite scary for her still pulling some, after releasing when wind picked up a lot :o

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Re: F-One Diablo flagging?

Postby evan » Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:46 pm

That's the downside of foilkites, it spins, flaps and pulls a bit until it is deflated enough to lay still when flagged in strong winds.

You can try to rig a fifth line to the middle ABC bridle attachments like they use in the snow to fold the kite in half when flagging so it drops without spinning and pulling if she can't live with a single front line flagout.

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Re: F-One Diablo flagging?

Postby PugetSoundKiter » Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:31 am

evan wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:46 pm
That's the downside of foilkites, it spins, flaps and pulls a bit until it is deflated enough to lay still when flagged in strong winds.

You can try to rig a fifth line to the middle ABC bridle attachments like they use in the snow to fold the kite in half when flagging so it drops without spinning and pulling if she can't live with a single front line flagout.
In strong winds, while inflated and flagged to a center A, B, C, I’ve still had foil kites flap and pull till deflated. Usually less than on a center line tho.

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Re: F-One Diablo flagging?

Postby evan » Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:47 am

There comes a point any kite will pull so much you need to brace yourself to not get dragged and it's impossible to reel it in by the flagout line. Even a tube kite on 5fth line will do this in 50kn+ winds, but it's definitely dragging you with a lot less force than keeping the kite in the air so it's a viable option to flag when becoming too overpowered to go upwind to the launch site and there is no one around to land your kite downwind. Plus it's a clear sign to other kiters that you need help.

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Re: F-One Diablo flagging?

Postby Smeagle » Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:20 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:12 pm
And yes it didn't loop with power, but still didn't flag like we know from other kites and it was quite scary for her still pulling some, after releasing when wind picked up a lot :o
Hmm... Diablo is a Race Kite. I don't know her, but it does not sound like she is ready for a Race Kite? Really, i see a lot of guys riding Race Kites and never, ever saw anyone dropping one of those into safety... Just as you said.

So you won't change how a Race Kite flags out. They are really not designed to have a perfectly safe safety, they are designed to be FAST.

If she is not ready for this, it's a bad idea to use a Race Kite in the first place.

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Re: F-One Diablo flagging?

Postby Peter_Frank » Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:27 pm

Well, the first Diablo is an OLD racekite, and used very often now for freeriders, as it is an easy kite.

She is ready for it, thats not the issue, but she (and I) did not know how it behaved when released :D

Thanks for the answers guys, as I have never released a foilkite, nor have any of my two digit racing buddies :naughty:

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Re: F-One Diablo flagging?

Postby Smeagle » Mon Oct 02, 2023 8:05 am

Peter_Frank wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:27 pm
Well, the first Diablo is an OLD racekite, and used very often now for freeriders, as it is an easy kite.
Yeah, I have Diablo (V1 and V3), too.

They are nice kites and really not very difficult to ride, true! But beware: They are still meant for racing. If you got tangles/twist don't start to untangle by "pulling lines", the kite will break. It's build as light as possible and can take everything while riding, but it cannot take any "pulling lines" when tangled/twisted. Don't try to relaunch, if it is twisted. Had to repair my Diablos several times before I accepted, twisting it means swimming to the kite and untwist before you can relaunch. Just as most do using new Race Kites, if you drop it and twist it, it's "game over", last chance is to untwist by swimming to it, if that fails because you take too long or can't untangle, you need to pack up and swim home.

That's the main difference between Race and Freerace. Freerace is strong enough to handle as a Freeride Kite.
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