Yeah, there is nothing wrong with 15 for sure, but "normal" people will be like "holy crap it's windy!" in 15 knots, there will be whitecaps and chop. In 8-10 knots "normal" people are like "nice breeze at the beach", water is pretty calm.
I get what you're saying, but this isn't "normal people", this is the daughter of a kitesurfer! She's already been dragged to beaches like Tarifa and Cabarete. I may just start her off an an 85L wingboard with the foil taken off, since it's basically big enough to be a SUP for her anyway. She may not be a master of windsports yet, but she's growing up doing this sort of thing (I know, it's blowing less than 15 knots in this video), so I think she can manage a wingfoil.Slappysan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:01 amYeah, there is nothing wrong with 15 for sure, but "normal" people will be like "holy crap it's windy!" in 15 knots, there will be whitecaps and chop. In 8-10 knots "normal" people are like "nice breeze at the beach", water is pretty calm.
It also depends on where you are, if you can get a consistent 15 knot thermal wind then that's perfect. For me locally and many of the locations I've been though sea breezes tend to cap out around 12 knots and thermals tend to pull over 15 knots (yes I'm aware a sea breeze is a thermal, but I'm talking about channeled thermals like Squamish or Hood River). That leaves frontal winds which have a chance to kick up strength all of a sudden which is where the real danger is.
My kid is 13 and not interested in the foil at all and my buddy has a wake boat with kids 10-12-14 and they aren't really interested in their kids foiling due to the dangers of falling on the foil. And while I would gladly let my kid learn to foil I see the hesitation in it as I damn near broke my wrist trying dock pumping last year banging it on the trailing edge. Took a year before the nerves stopped twanging to any touch sensation.
It might be a nice setup to put a 60 lbs kid on something like a Odysea Stump 5-0 with a 4m wing, probably never be able to go upwind but they might be able to plane. I would imagine putting them on a SUP would be mediocre, not going to plane and making board adjustments is painful. It's like kiting with a SUP, about 10x harder than kiting with a small board. Just put them on their knees on the 5-0 x 21.5" surfboard and let them rip around, eventually they'll start to stand if there is enough wind.
Put another way, kite foiling is half assed winging. Kite foiling is so easy, requires so little physical effort or mental attention, that it makes me sleepy and dream of doing other things while I do it. Winging, on the other hand, requires more physical effort and mental energy, so it is a great way to break the boredom of kite foiling. Sure, I bust out my kite when I'm tired and don't feel like putting in the energy of winging. Kite foiling is half assed, easy peasy, kinda boring, a good way to relax and catch some rays on a relaxing afternoon. But, then I man up and go out for a workout, winging, and feel much better about doing it!OzBungy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:15 amNot really, I just thought the title would attract a little attention.
I quite like winging. I am putting in the time on the water and gaining skills and it's all going fine. I fully understand the pleasure of gaining new skills, and the various niches that winging can fill.
I've read in several posts of kite foilers selling their kite foiling gear and putting all their efforts into winging. Really?
Winging is a bit like half-assed kite foiling. You have half the speed and half the upwind angle. The boards and foils are twice the size and bulk and roughly twice the cost. It takes roughly twice as much wind to get going, is twice the effort and you can only handle half the power (which is good because that is all you have access to anyway).
Even the much vaunted depowered wave riding is a bit exaggerated. It's great if you've got the conditions, skills and gear. Half the time you turn onto a little wavelet ... and stop unless you keep power in the wing. It is very easy to overrun the wing in a badly timed gybe. I can get a heap of turns on a wave face with a kite foil and 4m kite in strong winds. It's easy and I can quickly go back and hit that wave over and over.
You need to constantly think about anchoring your wing when you're not using it and everything ends up wet at the end of a session. My favourite winging location has a nice grassy bowl with fence posts to tie my wing to. Even then, rotor turbulence can flip the wing into wind. You have to think about that shit when choosing a site.
So, all things being equal, excluding perfect waves and niche conditions, why would a skilled kite foiler switch permanently to winging?
PS We are half way through a hard lockdown. I have access to one good beach which is not suitable for the winds we have been getting. The ability to wing in gusty cross-offshore conditions has been a life saver.
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